<html><head></head><body>Hi Thato,<div class=""><br class=""/></div><div class="">I’d be happy to help. I sent an earlier email to this list offering some clarifications, did you receive it? Please let me know if anything remains unclear.</div><div class=""><br class=""/></div><div class="">Best wishes,</div><div class=""><br class=""/></div><div class="">Ayden<br class=""/><div><br class=""/><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On 5 Oct 2018, at 12:48, Thato Mfikwe <<a href="mailto:thatomfikwe@GMAIL.COM" class="">thatomfikwe@GMAIL.COM</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"/><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class="">Hi Ayden,</div><div class=""><br class=""/></div><div class="">That is great, can you help with clarifications to questions raised? <br class=""/></div><div class=""><br class=""/></div><div class="">Thato Mfikwe.<br class=""/></div></div><br class=""/><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="">On Fri, Oct 5, 2018 at 12:22 PM Ayden Férdeline <<a href="mailto:icann@ferdeline.com" class="">icann@ferdeline.com</a>> wrote:<br class=""/></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div class="">Hi Remmy, <div class=""><br class=""/></div><div class="">I don’t think any of these questions need to be submitted to the Finance Department for a response. We can find the answers ourselves.</div><div class=""><br class=""/></div><div class="">Best wishes,</div><div class=""><br class=""/></div><div class="">Ayden<br class=""/><div class=""><br class=""/><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On 5 Oct 2018, at 12:14, Remmy Nweke <<a href="mailto:remmyn@GMAIL.COM" target="_blank" class="">remmyn@GMAIL.COM</a>> wrote:</div><br class="m_-7108719632699697942Apple-interchange-newline"/><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class="">Hi Thato and all<div class="">Thanks for the questions and responses so far.</div><div class=""><br class=""/></div><div class="">I think since these are questions, could we leverage the clarification period for this PTI/IANA comment season, which ends today by encouraging Thato among others to share this question on the wiki as below:</div><div class="">The questions as rephrased can be submitted for clarification among others. FC chair can submit same for clarification and share feed back via:</div><div class=""><br class=""/></div><div class=""><strong style="box-sizing:border-box;color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:helvetica,arial,sans-serif;font-size:16px" class=""><em style="box-sizing:border-box" class="">Next Steps:</em></strong><span style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:helvetica,arial,sans-serif;font-size:16px" class=""> </span><abbr title="Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers" style="box-sizing:border-box;unicode-bidi:bidi-override;direction:ltr;border-bottom:1px dotted rgb(153,153,153);text-decoration-line:none;text-decoration-style:initial;color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:helvetica,arial,sans-serif;font-size:16px" class="">ICANN</abbr><span style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:helvetica,arial,sans-serif;font-size:16px" class=""> community participants should submit questions for clarification about details in the draft plans to </span><a href="mailto:planning@icann.org" style="box-sizing:border-box;background-image:initial;background-position:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat:initial;background-origin:initial;background-clip:initial;color:rgb(0,152,213);text-decoration-line:none;font-family:helvetica,arial,sans-serif;font-size:16px" target="_blank" class="">planning@icann.org</a><span style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:helvetica,arial,sans-serif;font-size:16px" class=""> by </span><span style="box-sizing:border-box;color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:helvetica,arial,sans-serif;font-size:16px;text-decoration-line:underline" class="">05 October 2018</span><span style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:helvetica,arial,sans-serif;font-size:16px" class="">. The organization will provide responses by </span><span style="box-sizing:border-box;color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:helvetica,arial,sans-serif;font-size:16px;text-decoration-line:underline" class="">12 October 2018</span><span style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:helvetica,arial,sans-serif;font-size:16px" class="">.</span> <br class=""/></div><div class=""><br class=""/></div><div class="">Whatever is the official response will help us in eventually fashioning our overall comments to this process.</div><div class=""><br class=""/></div><div class="">Like pointed out already, we shall continue our NCSG outlined process according to Rafik and Thato.</div><div class=""><br class=""/></div><div class="">I will therefore suggest that FC if it has more comments/questions may have to harmonise that subtly on/before Wednesday next week and forward to PC for final submission as may be outlined within the timeframe including our community input. We have got to collaborate on this.</div><div class=""><br class=""/></div><div class="">Thanks Rafik for recognising that FC has to make specific input</div><div class=""><br class=""/></div><div class="">Best of the day.</div><div class=""><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class="m_-7108719632699697942gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div dir="ltr" class="">____<div class="">REMMY NWEKE, <font size="1" class="">mNGE</font>, </div><div class="">Lead Strategist/Group Executive Editor, <br class=""/><span style="background-color:rgb(255,0,0)" class="">DigitalSENSE Africa Media</span> <span class="">[<i class="">Multiple-award winning medium</i>]<br class=""/></span>(<a href="http://www.digitalsenseafrica.com.ng/businessnews" target="_blank" class="">DigitalSENSE Business News</a>; <a href="http://www.itrealms.com.ng/" target="_blank" class="">ITREALMS</a>, <a href="http://www.naijaagronet.com.ng/" target="_blank" class="">NaijaAgroNet</a>)</div><div class="">Block F1, Shop 133 Moyosore Aboderin Plaza, Bolade Junction, Oshodi-Lagos<br class=""/>M: 234-8033592762, 8023122558, 8051000475, T: <a href="http://www.twitter.com/ITRealms" target="_blank" class="">@ITRealms<br class=""/></a><div class="">Author: <a href="https://www.facebook.com/adecadeofictreportageinnigeria%E2%80%8E" target="_blank" class="">A Decade of ICT Reportage in Nigeria</a></div><div class=""><br class=""/></div><div class=""><b class=""><font color="#ff0000" class="">2019 <a href="http://www.digitalsenseafrica.com.ng/" target="_blank" class="">Nigeria DigitalSENSE Forum on IG4D & Nigeria IPv6 Roundtable</a></font></b> </div><div class="">JOIN us!!</div><div class=""><br class=""/></div><div class="">*Vice President, <a href="http://www.acsis-scasi.org/en/" target="_blank" class="">African Civil Society on the Information Society (ACSIS</a>)</div><div class=""><br class=""/></div><div class=""><a href="https://gnso.icann.org/en/about/stakeholders-constituencies/ncsg" target="_blank" class=""><b class="">NPOC FC Rep @ICANN Non-Commercial Stakeholders Group (NCSG)</b></a></div><div class="">_________________________________________________________________<br class=""/><font size="1" class="">*Confidentiality Notice:* The information in this document and attachments are confidential and may also be privileged information. 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So it’s a purpose-built ICANN affiliate, but it isn’t ICANN, if that makes sense?</div><div class=""><br class=""/></div><div class="">Also, while the average cost to PTI of a full time employee might be $260,000 a head, this is the gross cost of employing someone, including healthcare, pension contributions, and even real estate where they are allocated a desk (or appropriate reimbursements for a home office). I suspect - though am not certain - it also includes equipment expenses, so I don’t think this is all that outrageous. </div><div class=""><br class=""/></div><div class="">The ’stipends’ you refer to are not paid to PTI/IANA staff, they are issued to <i class="">volunteers</i> who travel to key signing ceremonies. From what I understand, PTI/IANA staff do not receive stipends, nor do ICANN staff. But their costs incurred traveling for business are reimbursed by way of a monthly expense report, which I consider reasonable. </div><div class=""><br class=""/></div><div class="">I hope this is helpful.</div><div class=""><br class=""/></div><div class="">Ayden</div><div class=""><br class=""/></div><div class=""><br class=""/></div><div class=""><div class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On 3 Oct 2018, at 22:14, Thato Mfikwe <<a href="mailto:thatomfikwe@GMAIL.COM" target="_blank" class="">thatomfikwe@GMAIL.COM</a>> wrote:</div><br class="m_-7108719632699697942m_4559139319440879934Apple-interchange-newline"/><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class="">Responses inline,<br class=""/><br class=""/><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="">On Wed, Oct 3, 2018 at 5:41 PM James Gannon <<a href="mailto:james@cyberinvasion.net" target="_blank" class="">james@cyberinvasion.net</a>> wrote:<br class=""/></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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<div class="">Least: As much as there are breakdowns of various budgets, there needs to now be a breakdown of community allocations within ICANN annual budgets to ensure consistency and uniformity, the investment, role and deliverables of service providers
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