<div dir="ltr">Hi Thato and all<div>Thanks for the questions and responses so far.</div><div><br></div><div>I think since these are questions, could we leverage the clarification period for this PTI/IANA comment season, which ends today by encouraging Thato among others to share this question on the wiki as below:</div><div>The questions as rephrased can be submitted for clarification among others. FC chair can submit same for clarification and share feed back via:</div><div><br></div><div><strong style="box-sizing:border-box;color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:helvetica,arial,sans-serif;font-size:16px"><em style="box-sizing:border-box">Next Steps:</em></strong><span style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:helvetica,arial,sans-serif;font-size:16px"> </span><abbr title="Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers" style="box-sizing:border-box;unicode-bidi:bidi-override;direction:ltr;border-bottom:1px dotted rgb(153,153,153);text-decoration-line:none;text-decoration-style:initial;color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:helvetica,arial,sans-serif;font-size:16px">ICANN</abbr><span style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:helvetica,arial,sans-serif;font-size:16px"> community participants should submit questions for clarification about details in the draft plans to </span><a href="mailto:planning@icann.org" style="box-sizing:border-box;background-image:initial;background-position:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat:initial;background-origin:initial;background-clip:initial;color:rgb(0,152,213);text-decoration-line:none;font-family:helvetica,arial,sans-serif;font-size:16px">planning@icann.org</a><span style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:helvetica,arial,sans-serif;font-size:16px"> by </span><span style="box-sizing:border-box;color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:helvetica,arial,sans-serif;font-size:16px;text-decoration-line:underline">05 October 2018</span><span style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:helvetica,arial,sans-serif;font-size:16px">. The organization will provide responses by </span><span style="box-sizing:border-box;color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:helvetica,arial,sans-serif;font-size:16px;text-decoration-line:underline">12 October 2018</span><span style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:helvetica,arial,sans-serif;font-size:16px">.</span> <br></div><div><br></div><div>Whatever is the official response will help us in eventually fashioning our overall comments to this process.</div><div><br></div><div>Like pointed out already, we shall continue our NCSG outlined process according to Rafik and Thato.</div><div><br></div><div>I will therefore suggest that FC if it has more comments/questions may have to harmonise that subtly on/before Wednesday next week and forward to PC for final submission as may be outlined within the timeframe including our community input. We have got to collaborate on this.</div><div><br></div><div>Thanks Rafik for recognising that FC has to make specific input</div><div><br></div><div>Best of the day.</div><div><div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr">____<div>REMMY NWEKE, <font size="1">mNGE</font>, </div><div>Lead Strategist/Group Executive Editor, <br><span style="background-color:rgb(255,0,0)">DigitalSENSE Africa Media</span> <span>[<i>Multiple-award winning medium</i>]<br></span>(<a href="http://www.digitalsenseafrica.com.ng/businessnews" target="_blank">DigitalSENSE Business News</a>; <a href="http://www.itrealms.com.ng" target="_blank">ITREALMS</a>, <a href="http://www.naijaagronet.com.ng" target="_blank">NaijaAgroNet</a>)</div><div>Block F1, Shop 133 Moyosore Aboderin Plaza, Bolade Junction, Oshodi-Lagos<br>M: 234-8033592762, 8023122558, 8051000475, T: <a href="http://www.twitter.com/ITRealms" target="_blank">@ITRealms<br></a><div>Author: <a href="https://www.facebook.com/adecadeofictreportageinnigeria%E2%80%8E" target="_blank">A Decade of ICT Reportage in Nigeria</a></div><div><br></div><div><b><font color="#ff0000">2019 <a href="http://www.digitalsenseafrica.com.ng" target="_blank">Nigeria DigitalSENSE Forum on IG4D & Nigeria IPv6 Roundtable</a></font></b> </div><div>JOIN us!!</div><div><br></div><div>*Vice President, <a href="http://www.acsis-scasi.org/en/" target="_blank">African Civil Society on the Information Society (ACSIS</a>)</div><div><br></div><div><a href="https://gnso.icann.org/en/about/stakeholders-constituencies/ncsg" target="_blank"><b>NPOC FC Rep @ICANN Non-Commercial Stakeholders Group (NCSG)</b></a></div><div>_________________________________________________________________<br><font size="1">*Confidentiality Notice:* The information in this document and attachments are confidential and may also be privileged information. 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Violators may face court persecution.<br></font><br></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr">On Fri, Oct 5, 2018 at 10:38 AM Ayden Férdeline <<a href="mailto:icann@ferdeline.com">icann@ferdeline.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div>Hi Thato,<div><br></div><div>James raises some very valid questions.</div><div><br></div><div>I think in your initial email there was a conflation between the PTI/IANA budget and that of the ICANN budget, and we need to be careful not to do that.</div><div><br></div><div>Just to be clear on what PTI/IANA is, it is not a “new team/department within ICANN.” As a part of the IANA transition, a new legal entity was formed to perform the IANA naming function on behalf of ICANN. So it’s a purpose-built ICANN affiliate, but it isn’t ICANN, if that makes sense?</div><div><br></div><div>Also, while the average cost to PTI of a full time employee might be $260,000 a head, this is the gross cost of employing someone, including healthcare, pension contributions, and even real estate where they are allocated a desk (or appropriate reimbursements for a home office). I suspect - though am not certain - it also includes equipment expenses, so I don’t think this is all that outrageous. </div><div><br></div><div>The ’stipends’ you refer to are not paid to PTI/IANA staff, they are issued to <i>volunteers</i> who travel to key signing ceremonies. From what I understand, PTI/IANA staff do not receive stipends, nor do ICANN staff. 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<div>Least: As much as there are breakdowns of various budgets, there needs to now be a breakdown of community allocations within ICANN annual budgets to ensure consistency and uniformity, the investment, role and deliverables of service providers
and professional services need to match and prove cost-efficiency and effectiveness as personnel costs and FTE related expenses are always on a high year after year, while there is complaint about budget limitations. Justification of IANA budget increments
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<div><span style="color:rgb(255,0,0)">TM: Budgets are budgets, it is not wrong to compare and analyse budget trends, recurring expense items and make enquiry. ICANN staff expenditure is worth review as this expense item seems to always be in the rise across most if not all operational budgets, as this was one of the issues in the last community comment on FY19 ICANN ops plan and budget comment, few months ago. The respective source material does make reference to ICANN budgets and it is important to assess in part and as a whole.<br></span></div></div></blockquote><div> </div><div><span style="color:rgb(255,0,0)">James: So, what are your comments on IANA/PTI FY20 operational plans and budgets? </span><br></div><div><br></div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word;line-break:after-white-space"><div><br></div><div>
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<div>ICANN published a new public comment and this time on PTI and IANA FY20 Operating Plan and Budgets starting the planning process for new fiscal year. </div>
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