<div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Tapani </div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">This really is becoming scenario of absurd! Robin in September 2017 when you were the chair of NCSG shared these procedures on the mailing list. See below. You never said then that this should be voted by membership.  Robin explicitly said if there are no significant concenrs they should go forward as NCSG operating procedure in the coming weeks.  Despite having you answering to members inquiries not a single time you contested what Robin said. <a href="https://listserv.syr.edu/scripts/wa.exe?A1=ind1709&L=NCSG-DISCUSS#44">https://listserv.syr.edu/scripts/wa.exe?A1=ind1709&L=NCSG-DISCUSS#44</a> had you not agreed with her then?</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">I shared the same procedures for members again to weigh in and comment on June 2018. Gave the members three weeks to respond with all the previous year thread in place. No one objected. No one said approved should be interpreted that members vote.  And again you were not around. Document had only minor editorial changes. and then it was approved: <a href="https://listserv.syr.edu/scripts/wa.exe?A2=ind1806&L=NCSG-DISCUSS&P=138383">https://listserv.syr.edu/scripts/wa.exe?A2=ind1806&L=NCSG-DISCUSS&P=138383</a></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">I don't know what is happening. This has happened before where I had to again refer to the previously mentioned links and discussions. Would you like to undo things that were supposed to be done during your term? Go ahead. I take no pride in finalizing things that others should have done. Would you like these membership changes procedures be voted by the membership? Sure, lets see how much support you get here and you can also submit a letter to EC requesting it. </div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><div class="gmail-aju" style="float:none;padding:0px 16px;display:flex;height:80px;min-width:32px;font-family:Roboto,RobotoDraft,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:medium"><div class="gmail-aCi"><img id="gmail-:0_20-e" name=":0" src="https://plus.google.com/u/0/_/focus/photos/public/AIbEiAIAAABDCMy8oKru8Ke3MyILdmNhcmRfcGhvdG8qKDZmMDUyMjZlNTk2NmZmNzQyNDhlYjQzNjZlMTZkZTFhOTE0NzhjOWMwAViXGlyKmGDP-Sqzs7lJpPG0nbhE?sz=48" class="gmail-ajn" style="display: block; width: 32px; height: 32px; border-radius: 50%; background-color: rgb(204, 204, 204);"></div></div><div class="gmail-gs" style="margin:0px;padding:0px 0px 20px;width:993px;font-family:Roboto,RobotoDraft,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:medium"><div class="gmail-gE gmail-iv gmail-gt" style="padding:20px 0px 0px;font-size:12.8px"><table cellpadding="0" class="gmail-cf gmail-gJ" style="border-collapse:collapse;margin-top:0px;width:auto;font-size:0.875rem;letter-spacing:0.2px;display:block"><tbody style="display:block"><tr class="gmail-acZ" style="height:auto;display:flex"><td class="gmail-gF gmail-gK" style="white-space:nowrap;padding:0px;vertical-align:top;width:728.328px;line-height:20px;display:block;max-height:20px"><table cellpadding="0" class="gmail-cf gmail-ix" style="border-collapse:collapse;table-layout:fixed;width:728px"><tbody><tr><td class="gmail-c2" style="display:flex"><h3 class="gmail-iw" style="overflow:hidden;max-width:92%;font-size:0.75rem;font-weight:inherit;margin:inherit;letter-spacing:0.3px;color:rgb(95,99,104);line-height:20px"><span name="Robin Gross" class="gmail-gD" style="color:rgb(32,33,36);font-size:0.875rem;font-weight:bold;display:inline;vertical-align:top;letter-spacing:0.2px;line-height:20px">Robin Gross</span> <span class="gmail-go" style="vertical-align:top;color:rgb(85,85,85)"><a href="mailto:robin@ipjustice.org">robin@ipjustice.org</a></span> <span class="gmail-go" style="vertical-align:top;color:rgb(85,85,85)"><a target="_blank" href="https://support.google.com/mail/answer/1311182?hl=en" class="gmail-acP" style="vertical-align:top;color:rgb(34,34,34)">via</a> <a href="http://listserv.syr.edu">listserv.syr.edu</a> </span></h3></td></tr></tbody></table></td><td class="gmail-gH gmail-bAk" style="text-align:right;white-space:nowrap;vertical-align:top;display:block;max-height:20px"><div class="gmail-gK" style="padding:0px;display:flex"><img class="gmail-f gmail-gW" src="https://mail.google.com/mail/u/0/images/cleardot.gif" title="NCSG Draft Procedures for Member Removal.pdf" alt="Attachments" style="vertical-align: top; background: url("https://ssl.gstatic.com/mail/sprites/general_2x-8f803f655d38e38581ce96b4bca05016.png") 0px -717px / 24px 882px no-repeat; height: 21px; width: 21px;"><span id="gmail-:17o" class="gmail-g3" title="Sep 2, 2017, 1:51 PM" alt="Sep 2, 2017, 1:51 PM" style="vertical-align:top;margin:0px;font-size:0.75rem;letter-spacing:0.3px;color:rgb(95,99,104);display:block;line-height:20px">Sep 2, 2017, 1:51 PM</span><div class="gmail-zd gmail-bi4" title="Not starred" tabindex="0" style="display:inline-block;height:20px;margin-left:20px;outline:0px"><span class="gmail-T-KT" style="display:inline-flex;height:20px;text-align:center;width:20px;padding:0px;margin:0px;border:none;outline:none"></span></div></div></td><td class="gmail-gH" style="text-align:right;white-space:nowrap;vertical-align:top;display:flex"></td><td class="gmail-gH gmail-acX gmail-bAm" rowspan="2" style="text-align:right;white-space:nowrap;vertical-align:top;display:block;max-height:20px"><div class="gmail-T-I gmail-J-J5-Ji gmail-T-I-Js-IF gmail-aaq gmail-T-I-ax7 gmail-L3" tabindex="0" style="display:inline-flex;border-radius:2px 0px 0px 2px;font-size:0.875rem;text-align:center;margin:0px 0px 0px 20px;height:20px;line-height:18px;min-width:0px;outline:none;padding:0px;background:transparent;color:rgb(68,68,68);border:none"><img class="gmail-hB gmail-T-I-J3" src="https://mail.google.com/mail/u/0/images/cleardot.gif" alt="" style="background: url("https://www.gstatic.com/images/icons/material/system/2x/reply_black_20dp.png") 50% 50% / 20px no-repeat; height: 20px; margin: 0px; vertical-align: middle; width: 20px; opacity: 0.7; display: inline-block; padding: 0px; transition: opacity 0.15s cubic-bezier(0.4, 0, 0.2, 1) 0s;"></div><div id="gmail-:18k" class="gmail-T-I gmail-J-J5-Ji gmail-T-I-Js-Gs gmail-aap gmail-T-I-awG gmail-T-I-ax7 gmail-L3" tabindex="0" style="display:inline-flex;border-radius:0px 2px 2px 0px;font-size:0.875rem;text-align:center;margin:0px 0px 0px 20px;height:20px;line-height:18px;min-width:0px;outline:none;padding:0px;background:transparent;color:rgb(68,68,68);border:none"><img class="gmail-hA gmail-T-I-J3" src="https://mail.google.com/mail/u/0/images/cleardot.gif" alt="" style="background: url("https://www.gstatic.com/images/icons/material/system/2x/more_vert_black_20dp.png") 50% 50% / 20px no-repeat; height: 20px; width: 20px; margin: 0px; vertical-align: middle; opacity: 0.7; display: inline-block; padding: 0px; transition: opacity 0.15s cubic-bezier(0.4, 0, 0.2, 1) 0s;"></div></td></tr><tr class="gmail-acZ gmail-xD" style="height:auto;display:flex"><td colspan="3"><table cellpadding="0" class="gmail-cf gmail-adz" style="border-collapse:collapse;table-layout:fixed;white-space:nowrap;width:993px"><tbody><tr><td class="gmail-ady" style="overflow:visible;text-overflow:ellipsis;display:flex;line-height:20px"><div class="gmail-iw gmail-ajw" style="overflow:hidden;max-width:92%;display:inline-block"><span class="gmail-hb" style="vertical-align:top;color:rgb(95,99,104);font-size:0.75rem;letter-spacing:0.3px;line-height:20px">to <span dir="ltr" name="NCSG-DISCUSS" class="gmail-g2" style="vertical-align:top">NCSG-DISCUSS</span></span></div><div class="gmail-ajy" tabindex="0" style="display:inline-flex;margin-left:4px;vertical-align:top;border:none;outline:none"><img class="gmail-ajz" id="gmail-:180" src="https://mail.google.com/mail/u/0/images/cleardot.gif" alt="" style="background: url("https://www.gstatic.com/images/icons/material/system/2x/arrow_drop_down_black_20dp.png") 50% 50% / 20px no-repeat; cursor: pointer; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline; height: 20px; width: 20px; border: none; margin: 0px 0px 0px auto; right: 0px; top: 0px; display: flex; opacity: 0.54;"></div></td></tr></tbody></table></td></tr></tbody></table></div><div id="gmail-:17k"><div class="gmail-qQVYZb"></div><div class="gmail-utdU2e"></div><div class="gmail-btm"></div></div><div class="gmail-"><div class="gmail-aHl"></div><div id="gmail-:17z" tabindex="-1"></div><div id="gmail-:17m" class="gmail-ii gmail-gt" style="font-size:12.8px;direction:ltr;margin:8px 0px 0px;padding:0px"><div id="gmail-:17l" class="gmail-a3s gmail-aXjCH" style="overflow:hidden;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-stretch:normal;font-size:small;line-height:1.5;font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif">Hello,<br><br>Please find the attached procedures for handling changes in one's NCSG <span class="gmail-il">membership</span> status, which is intended to formalize our EC’s operation on such matters.  If there are no significant concerns with these procedures, they should go forward as an NCSG operating procedure in the coming weeks.<br><br>Thanks,</div></div></div></div></div><div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><br></div></div></div><br></div></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr">On Tue, Sep 11, 2018 at 8:34 AM Tapani Tarvainen <<a href="mailto:ncsg@tapani.tarvainen.info">ncsg@tapani.tarvainen.info</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Dear Farzaneh,<br>
<br>
Yes, that's what I mean. As our charter explicitly says member removal<br>
procedures are subject to membership approval, that presumably means<br>
something - that approving member removal procedures requires something<br>
more than other procedures the EC can do by itself.<br>
<br>
"2.2.6 Procedural rules<br>
<br>
The Executive Committee shall create procedural rules for membership<br>
and for existing members to maintain their good standing or for<br>
removal of membership for cause. ***Any such procedure will be subject<br>
to membership approval.***"<br>
<br>
To me such language implies a vote by the membership or some other<br>
extraordinary procedure.<br>
<br>
So, how did EC obtain that approval from membership?<br>
<br>
Or how do you interpret that sentence in the charter?<br>
<br>
Tapani<br>
<br>
On Sep 11 07:53, farzaneh badii (<a href="mailto:farzaneh.badii@gmail.com" target="_blank">farzaneh.badii@gmail.com</a>) wrote:<br>
> <br>
> Tapani,<br>
> <br>
> Sorry I am so surprised that I have to ask: you mean how the removal<br>
> procedure got approved given that they are subject to membership approval?<br>
> The procedures I sent the link to and are on our website?<br>
> <br>
> On Tue, Sep 11, 2018 at 3:47 AM Tapani Tarvainen <<a href="mailto:ncsg@tapani.tarvainen.info" target="_blank">ncsg@tapani.tarvainen.info</a>><br>
> wrote:<br>
> <br>
> > Hi Farzaneh,<br>
> ><br>
> > Given that our charter specifically requires them to be subject<br>
> > to membership approval, how was that done?<br>
> ><br>
> > Tapani<br>
> ><br>
> > On Sep 11 03:20, farzaneh badii (<a href="mailto:farzaneh.badii@gmail.com" target="_blank">farzaneh.badii@gmail.com</a>) wrote:<br>
> ><br>
> > > Tapani<br>
> > ><br>
> > > Those removal procedures were approved a couple of months ago and now on<br>
> > > the website:<br>
> > ><br>
> > <a href="https://community.icann.org/display/gnsononcomstake/Operating+Procedures#OperatingProcedures-169034239" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://community.icann.org/display/gnsononcomstake/Operating+Procedures#OperatingProcedures-169034239</a><br>
<br>
-- <br>
Tapani Tarvainen<br>
</blockquote></div>