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<span style="color:#002060">Please find attendance and recording of the<span class="m_-6204975320507589861apple-converted-space"> </span><b>NCSG Policy Call on 15 August 2018 at 13:30 UTC</b></span><span style="color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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</b>Austin Ruckstuhl</span></span><span style="color:#002060">, Ayden Férdeline, Benjamin Akinmoyeje, Claire Craig, Collin Kurre, Dajana Mulaj, Ekue Farell Folly, Elsa Saade, Farzaneh Badii, Franco Giandana, James Njoeoge Gitau, Julf Helsingius, Martin Silva
Valent, Olévié Kouami, Olga Kyryliuk, Rafik Dammak, Shah Zahidur Rahman, Stephanie Perrin, Tatiana Tropina, Tomslin Samme-Nlar <b>ICANN Org.:</b> Ozan Sahin<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:-webkit-standard;color:black"> Ozan Sahin:Dear all, welcome to the NCSG Policy call on Wednesday, 15 August 2018 at 13:30 UTC<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:-webkit-standard;color:black"> Rafik Dammak:hello all<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:-webkit-standard;color:black"> Tatiana Tropina:Hi all<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:-webkit-standard;color:black"> Franco Giandana:Hello all!<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:-webkit-standard;color:black"> Ayden Férdeline:Hi all<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:-webkit-standard;color:black"> Rafik Dammak:we will start in 1 or 2 min<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:-webkit-standard;color:black"> Martín Silva Valent:hi<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:-webkit-standard;color:black"> Rafik Dammak:if you are not speaking, please mute yourself<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:-webkit-standard;color:black"> Tomslin Samme-Nlar:hello<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:-webkit-standard;color:black"> Stephanie Perrin:Hi all!<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:-webkit-standard;color:black"> Collin Kurre:Hi everyone<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:-webkit-standard;color:black"> Amr Elsadr:Hi all.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:-webkit-standard;color:black"> Shah Zahidur Rahman:Hi Everyone<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:-webkit-standard;color:black"> Stephanie Perrin:Who is 1734xxx please?<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:-webkit-standard;color:black"> Stephanie Perrin:cutting out a lot AMr<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:-webkit-standard;color:black"> Elsa Saade:hey everyone!<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:-webkit-standard;color:black"> Amr Elsadr:Thanks.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:-webkit-standard;color:black"> Julf Helsingius:Apologies for joining late - got stuck in traffic<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:-webkit-standard;color:black"> Tatiana Tropina:I am not comfortable with voting on this motion, I agree with Farz that we need to raise the questions, esp with regard to what GNSO said in 2017 (there is a reference
to this in our comment) <u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:-webkit-standard;color:black"> Amr Elsadr:Report here: <a href="https://mm.icann.org/pipermail/council/attachments/20180807/ab4b45f9/red-cross-protection-policy-amend-process-final-06aug18-en-0001.pdf" target="_blank">https://mm.icann.org/pipermail/council/attachments/20180807/ab4b45f9/red-cross-protection-policy-amend-process-final-06aug18-en-0001.pdf</a><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:-webkit-standard;color:black"> Amr Elsadr:Summary of recommendations at the beginning of the report.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:-webkit-standard;color:black"> Tatiana Tropina:I wonder if we have to vote tomorrow. <u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:-webkit-standard;color:black"> Tatiana Tropina:I wonder if we defer what's gotta change! <u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:-webkit-standard;color:black"> Amr Elsadr:Wouldn't mind a deferral.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:-webkit-standard;color:black"> Tatiana Tropina:I won't mind a deferral but at the end the report won't change and we will vote no or abstain. <u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:-webkit-standard;color:black"> Tatiana Tropina:so we can just vote no or abstain with the statements. <u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:-webkit-standard;color:black"> Claire Craig:If we defer is there a timeframe?<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:-webkit-standard;color:black"> Farzaneh Badii:I will read it. I wonder how carefully they read it :)<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:-webkit-standard;color:black"> Amr Elsadr:We need to get real. Nobody from NCSG participated in this WG, and the WG is submitted to the Council with Full Consensus of its members. The motion will pass on Council,
irrespective of our views/votes.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:-webkit-standard;color:black"> Tatiana Tropina:okay let's asl for a deferral tomorrow <u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:-webkit-standard;color:black"> Tatiana Tropina:Amr, that's what am saying, the deferral would be only to strategise our abstentions/nos<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:-webkit-standard;color:black"> Tatiana Tropina:and supermajority, yes <u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:-webkit-standard;color:black"> Elsa Saade:i tend to agree with Tatiana on this one<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:-webkit-standard;color:black"> Amr Elsadr::-)<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:-webkit-standard;color:black"> Tatiana Tropina:I am somewhere in the middile ground, I won't mind just to vote no tomorrow <u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:-webkit-standard;color:black"> Tatiana Tropina:It's just stand on our ground. So instead of deferral we can just say a big no right on the spot. But deferral is better, some fuss :-)<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:-webkit-standard;color:black"> Farzaneh Badii:I can help with the reason<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:-webkit-standard;color:black"> Stephanie Perrin:Can we come up with a clear paragraph as to what we are objecting to?<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:-webkit-standard;color:black"> Tatiana Tropina:No requires no explanation, but abstention won't count. Hmmmm. Hard choice, let's defer <u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:-webkit-standard;color:black"> Amr Elsadr:If our councilors would like this motion to be defered, should be for a good reason. One reason might be to investigate whether or not the WG has made its recommendations
based on a legal basis, or not. If there is a legal basis for these names to be reserved, then the WG should demonstrate this. If there isn't...,<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:-webkit-standard;color:black"> Tatiana Tropina:Farzaneh, the comment you drafted is really outlining all the reasons very good, but if there is anything else you could add - am sure we all will appreciate.... <u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:-webkit-standard;color:black"> Farzaneh Badii:sure. I just have to check if they changed anything based on our comments. I doubt it :)<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:-webkit-standard;color:black"> Tatiana Tropina:Amr, do you think the reason that the WG chair promised to get in contact with us and explain how our comments were addressed etc etc is not a good reason? The fact
that we need investigate... ?<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:-webkit-standard;color:black"> Tatiana Tropina:I saw they still had the magic number 191... <u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:-webkit-standard;color:black"> Amr Elsadr:I have no idea, Tanya. This topic has been stuck in the GNSO's throat for years, but I haven't followed this WG's work at all. I could imagine a scenario where folks involved
are so sick of it, they want to put it behind them, and get the GAC off their backs.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:-webkit-standard;color:black"> Farzaneh Badii:would have been nice to know what changes they made<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:-webkit-standard;color:black"> Tatiana Tropina:also second level still stays. Anyway, we have time to check <u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:-webkit-standard;color:black"> Amr Elsadr:@Farzi: As for the public comment review tool used by the WG.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:-webkit-standard;color:black"> Amr Elsadr:*Ask<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:-webkit-standard;color:black"> Tatiana Tropina:Amr it looked to me like everyone is just sick, yes. <u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:-webkit-standard;color:black"> Tatiana Tropina:Farz this one is for you <a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.icann.org_en_system_files_files_report-2Dcomments-2Dred-2Dcross-2Dprotection-2Dinitial-2D13aug18-2Den.pdf&d=DwIFaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=SJoAZJPf4sll7c5HM-90jeUSDBNV8i1H6DgoihUn1_U&m=51nYcDqdDOcrM8k0vz8B69xsJxClrt896QByb3--dwI&s=72g7yLR_11q3NQJ23N-1IZA358CA_ULoibP_dHAJwR0&e=" target="_blank">https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.icann.org_en_system_files_files_report-2Dcomments-2Dred-2Dcross-2Dprotection-2Dinitial-2D13aug18-2Den.pdf&d=DwIFaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=SJoAZJPf4sll7c5HM-90jeUSDBNV8i1H6DgoihUn1_U&m=51nYcDqdDOcrM8k0vz8B69xsJxClrt896QByb3--dwI&s=72g7yLR_11q3NQJ23N-1IZA358CA_ULoibP_dHAJwR0&e=</a><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:-webkit-standard;color:black"> Tatiana Tropina:Our comments warrant no changes. <u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:-webkit-standard;color:black"> Tatiana Tropina:so you don't even have to check the report: "Action Taken: None, the comments do not warrant changes to the full consensus recommendations."<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:-webkit-standard;color:black"> Tatiana Tropina:Explains why the chair never got back. Okay then. <u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:-webkit-standard;color:black"> Tatiana Tropina:SORRY ! I moved. <u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:-webkit-standard;color:black"> Farzaneh Badii:! <u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:-webkit-standard;color:black"> Farzaneh Badii:thank you Tanya <u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:-webkit-standard;color:black"> Stephanie Perrin:Who was the WG Chair?<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:-webkit-standard;color:black"> Rafik Dammak:Phil and Petter<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:-webkit-standard;color:black"> Farzaneh Badii:is this GAC consensus advice?<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:-webkit-standard;color:black"> Farzaneh Badii:how about we sell half of the Internet land to GAC. maybe they will be satisfied <u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:-webkit-standard;color:black"> Stephanie Perrin:Ok then yes, PHil has been briefing us pretty thoroughly on this one, I bet they are sick of it.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:-webkit-standard;color:black"> Stephanie Perrin:Over to you Board....<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:-webkit-standard;color:black"> Farzaneh Badii:yes they have been briefing us on bad recommendations ... I remember that <u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:-webkit-standard;color:black"> Stephanie Perrin:and the legal review they commissioned was top notch<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:-webkit-standard;color:black"> Stephanie Perrin:Bottom line, Red Cross do not want to have to pay for internet vigilence.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:-webkit-standard;color:black"> Amr Elsadr:It'll be a repeat of the RC situation.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:-webkit-standard;color:black"> Amr Elsadr:If the Board gives in to the GAC, which is of course, unheard of. ;-)<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:-webkit-standard;color:black"> Julf Helsingius:Amr: oh yes, that never happens. :)<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:-webkit-standard;color:black"> Stephanie Perrin:Getting ready for another end run vis a vis EPDP. Elliot v Manal, stay tuned....<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:-webkit-standard;color:black"> Tatiana Tropina:sell to GAC? They would want it for free :-( <u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:-webkit-standard;color:black"> Farzaneh Badii:yup<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:-webkit-standard;color:black"> Farzaneh Badii:free rides<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:-webkit-standard;color:black"> Tatiana Tropina:The WS2 .. I guess we gotta stamp it. Even though they didn't really address our comments <u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:-webkit-standard;color:black"> Stephanie Perrin:Strategically, do we want to object every time they ignore our commentson principle, or do we abstain and make a statement? <u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:-webkit-standard;color:black"> Farzaneh Badii:I think abstain makes sense <u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:-webkit-standard;color:black"> Tatiana Tropina:Steph, I think in this case we rather vote yes. We can flag that we are unhappy during the discussion <u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:-webkit-standard;color:black"> Tatiana Tropina:I am not ready to abstain from voting for WS2 to be honest. <u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:-webkit-standard;color:black"> Stephanie Perrin:There are arguments on both sides. I am mentally preparing for our comments on the RDS Review to be not implemented.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:-webkit-standard;color:black"> Tatiana Tropina:but Ombuddy. Yes, it's a *problem* <u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:-webkit-standard;color:black"> Tatiana Tropina:We might want to flag it during the discussion tomorrow?<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:-webkit-standard;color:black"> Tatiana Tropina:saying yes, we can approve, but look there is a big problem that we are forced to rubber stamp in bulk <u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:-webkit-standard;color:black"> Stephanie Perrin:I do think the feeling would be that we are just a bunch of whiners <u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:-webkit-standard;color:black"> Farzaneh Badii:I think that's a good idea Tatiana. if that can be done. <u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:-webkit-standard;color:black"> Tatiana Tropina:Well if we vote no for this giant work of 16058 people because of ombuddy....<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:-webkit-standard;color:black"> Farzaneh Badii:just for our own records even <u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:-webkit-standard;color:black"> Stephanie Perrin:We need to publish statements which detail objections for the record<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:-webkit-standard;color:black"> Farzaneh Badii:haha<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:-webkit-standard;color:black"> Farzaneh Badii:16058 will be after us <u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:-webkit-standard;color:black"> Benjamin Akinmoyeje (Nigeria):@stephanie why do you think our comments will not be implemented in the RDS Review<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:-webkit-standard;color:black"> Tatiana Tropina:I think we can just flag unhappiness on the record tomorrow. I am making a note to myself. I can take the floor and say that it's unfair that we are put into the situation
when we object to one rec strongly and have to rubber stamp <u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:-webkit-standard;color:black"> Stephanie Perrin:Benjamin, I have had a hard time getting them to listen to me on the group. The chair is anti-privacy. The RDS Review is only looking at the 2012 recommendations,
which did very little for our issues....it was all about accuracy and compliance.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:-webkit-standard;color:black"> Farzaneh Badii:it's insane that an anti privacy person is appointed as chair <u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:-webkit-standard;color:black"> Farzaneh Badii:aat least a neutral one ...<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:-webkit-standard;color:black"> Stephanie Perrin:Basically we are saying "GDPR will have an impact on future WHOIS, but is not relevant to this review." We are not making new meaningful recommendations. Folks
are locked in Status quo. There is one NCSG< one Registrar, and 4 GAC 4 ALAC<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:-webkit-standard;color:black"> Amr Elsadr:RDS Reviews are scoped on the implementation of policies already in place, no? And there was a desire to not overlap any of its work with other ongoing RDS projects, like
the Next-Gen RDS PDP?<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:-webkit-standard;color:black"> Amr Elsadr:@Stephanie: I'd imagine that GDPR is actually out of scope of the Review.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:-webkit-standard;color:black"> Stephanie Perrin:yes, but it is a bit crazy to have recommendations about WHOIS that ignore GDPR.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:-webkit-standard;color:black"> Farzaneh Badii:oops I missed what Rafik said<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:-webkit-standard;color:black"> Amr Elsadr:Not familiar with the contents of PDP 3.0, but will look into it. Curious.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:-webkit-standard;color:black"> Farzaneh Badii:I got distracted. ... <u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:-webkit-standard;color:black"> Stephanie Perrin:5 years from now, we will be reviewing recommendations which ignore GDPR....<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:-webkit-standard;color:black"> Benjamin Akinmoyeje (Nigeria):I am still here with you Rafik<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:-webkit-standard;color:black"> Amr Elsadr:@Stephanie: Hopefully, 5 years from now, you'll be reviewing how the EPDP and RDS PDP outcomes played out.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:-webkit-standard;color:black"> Collin Kurre:And celebrating the successes of the multistakeholder model, of course<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:-webkit-standard;color:black"> Amr Elsadr:So shouldn't ignore GDPR. We need to develop policies that address GDPR, before we get around to reviewing them.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:-webkit-standard;color:black"> Stephanie Perrin:True, Amr....I just am losing hope. NEed vitamins perhaps....<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:-webkit-standard;color:black"> Tatiana Tropina:there is no amount of vitamins that can restore hope. As in that old saying "even with all the mayonnaise in the world you can't make chicken salad out of chicken
poop"<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:-webkit-standard;color:black"> Benjamin Akinmoyeje (Nigeria):@Stephanie is it still possible to have a WHOIS that will ignore GDPR, certainly I believe the EU will not let that happen.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:-webkit-standard;color:black"> Tatiana Tropina:I can't imagine where the volunteers are going to be found <u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:-webkit-standard;color:black"> Stephanie Perrin:Tat :-)<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:-webkit-standard;color:black"> Farzaneh Badii:well Tat, vegans might disagree with you <u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:-webkit-standard;color:black"> Amr Elsadr:The policy is certainly necessary, so is an IAG to ensure that the implementation of the policy is..., implementable.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:-webkit-standard;color:black"> Stephanie Perrin:If it starts up, it is dangerous, we have to staff it. Maybe move the whole EPDP with backup over.....swarming. <u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:-webkit-standard;color:black"> Amr Elsadr:And this policy goes beyond the scope of GDPR. This policy allows for contracted parties to raise issues with whatever national law is applicable, GDPR or other.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:-webkit-standard;color:black"> Collin Kurre:agree with those objections, tatiana<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:-webkit-standard;color:black"> Stephanie Perrin:I agree with Tat. But I think we are running into procedural issues re the number of times a motion can be deferred....<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:-webkit-standard;color:black"> Amr Elsadr:This group is an advisory group on implementation of an already existing policy.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:-webkit-standard;color:black"> Stephanie Perrin:We have to resolve the motion tomorrow.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:-webkit-standard;color:black"> Tatiana Tropina:Yeah we do but it's *vvaaaaaaguuuuue*<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:-webkit-standard;color:black"> Amr Elsadr:Not a motion, right? Just a discussion topic?<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:-webkit-standard;color:black"> Tatiana Tropina:No no motion. We approved the charter. sigh. <u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:-webkit-standard;color:black"> Stephanie Perrin:Oh my mistake, I thought we were up against the time limit....<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:-webkit-standard;color:black"> Elsa Saade:that was my fear back when this was still in discussion mode<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:-webkit-standard;color:black"> Stephanie Perrin:So we have no time limit on how long we can rag this puck now?<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:-webkit-standard;color:black"> Elsa Saade:at what point can the charter be reviewed ?<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:-webkit-standard;color:black"> Collin Kurre:I don't think it's a good idea to have several parallel processes addressing the same issue. On top of straining limited resources (volunteer hours), it also risks producing
conflicting / contradicting outcomes<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:-webkit-standard;color:black"> Stephanie Perrin:(must be repression setting in, yes we dealt with it last time)<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:-webkit-standard;color:black"> Amr Elsadr:Proposed charter here: <a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__gnso.icann.org_en_drafts_draft-2Dicann-2Dprocedure-2Dwhois-2Dconflicts-2Diag-2D23jan18-2Den.pdf&d=DwIFaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=SJoAZJPf4sll7c5HM-90jeUSDBNV8i1H6DgoihUn1_U&m=51nYcDqdDOcrM8k0vz8B69xsJxClrt896QByb3--dwI&s=0JIEcFcdud39u4jFmpdXOfdiYKmWZvc2Bt8wxA3WaGQ&e=" target="_blank">https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__gnso.icann.org_en_drafts_draft-2Dicann-2Dprocedure-2Dwhois-2Dconflicts-2Diag-2D23jan18-2Den.pdf&d=DwIFaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=SJoAZJPf4sll7c5HM-90jeUSDBNV8i1H6DgoihUn1_U&m=51nYcDqdDOcrM8k0vz8B69xsJxClrt896QByb3--dwI&s=0JIEcFcdud39u4jFmpdXOfdiYKmWZvc2Bt8wxA3WaGQ&e=</a><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:-webkit-standard;color:black"> Tatiana Tropina:The main idea behind this entire thingy was that it will deal with additional issue <u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:-webkit-standard;color:black"> Tatiana Tropina:issues <u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:-webkit-standard;color:black"> Farzaneh Badii:I support<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:-webkit-standard;color:black"> Tatiana Tropina:so not like in parallel. But the problem is that until you know what's on with EPDP you can't really see what's in parallel and what's not!<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:-webkit-standard;color:black"> Farzaneh Badii:i mean i support travel support of rapporteurs and co-chair of pdps<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:-webkit-standard;color:black"> Farzaneh Badii:oh it;s not a matter for discussion? ok <u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:-webkit-standard;color:black"> Tatiana Tropina:I think we just get updates on how helpful this support is/ was <u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:-webkit-standard;color:black"> Collin Kurre:bingo tat and it's also hard to tackle this subject in a logical, step-by-step way when all these ad-hoc proposals and groups keep popping up<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:-webkit-standard;color:black"> Collin Kurre:whack-a-mole<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:-webkit-standard;color:black"> Tatiana Tropina:Collin, yeah totally. <u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:-webkit-standard;color:black"> Farzaneh Badii:it's a bad idea. can you scrap or delay it?<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:-webkit-standard;color:black"> Farzaneh Badii:(the WHOIS conflict I meant)<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:-webkit-standard;color:black"> Ayden Férdeline:good question Amr<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:-webkit-standard;color:black"> Stephanie Perrin:we have to find a way....it is NUTS to keep doing this.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:-webkit-standard;color:black"> Ayden Férdeline:i presume the Chair has been notified<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:-webkit-standard;color:black"> Stephanie Perrin:I thought we did get a note from Heather<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:-webkit-standard;color:black"> Ayden Férdeline:but the EPDP is not being kept updated<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:-webkit-standard;color:black"> Stephanie Perrin:Who is deciding on where that money will be spent<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:-webkit-standard;color:black"> Tatiana Tropina:WHOIS conflict - I guess we can raise so many points in discussion that the discussion will be deferred <u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:-webkit-standard;color:black"> Ayden Férdeline:similarly, various letters on the correspondence page pertaining to the EPDP and addressed to the chaie have not been shared with the EPDP team on the EPDP list<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:-webkit-standard;color:black"> Ayden Férdeline:@stephanie Yes the Council did receive the letter, but the EPDP team did not<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:-webkit-standard;color:black"> Stephanie Perrin:Hmn, that should be an item for staff, no? the moment a letter appears it should be sent.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:-webkit-standard;color:black"> Stephanie Perrin:Seems rather basic....\<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:-webkit-standard;color:black"> Ayden Férdeline:I would have thought it was an item for the Chair, as it is addressed to them<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:-webkit-standard;color:black"> Amr Elsadr:Thanks, Rafik. Some follow up on this topic would be helpful.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:-webkit-standard;color:black"> Amr Elsadr:@Ayden: I haven't seen any follow-up to Cherine's letter on the Council level either. Unless I missed it.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:-webkit-standard;color:black"> Ayden Férdeline:there were 2 responses, from Pam Little and someone else<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:-webkit-standard;color:black"> Amr Elsadr:Ah..., thanks. Will check those out.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:-webkit-standard;color:black"> Ayden Férdeline:but more 'thanks for sending it' type of communications<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:-webkit-standard;color:black"> Amr Elsadr::-)<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:-webkit-standard;color:black"> Amr Elsadr:Well..., that's something. :-)<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:-webkit-standard;color:black"> Stephanie Perrin:I will skip the GNSO to do it...not like anything ever happens with GAC<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:-webkit-standard;color:black"> Tatiana Tropina:GNSO/GAC can be skipped for a great cause surely <u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:-webkit-standard;color:black"> Stephanie Perrin:Exactly. I am so annoyed about this, I feel like using my grant money to rent a room in the hotel and invite the DPAs to come to a private session. Really, it sucks
to be ignored.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:-webkit-standard;color:black"> Amr Elsadr:@Tanya: ..., or for a petty one. ;-)<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:-webkit-standard;color:black"> Amr Elsadr:Anything but..., :)<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:-webkit-standard;color:black"> Collin Kurre:what?!<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:-webkit-standard;color:black"> Ayden Férdeline:five...<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:-webkit-standard;color:black"> Tatiana Tropina:Amr :D :D :D <u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:-webkit-standard;color:black"> Amr Elsadr:Julf is stuck with the GAC, though, so best of luck to him!!<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:-webkit-standard;color:black"> Julf Helsingius:Thanks. :)<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:-webkit-standard;color:black"> Stephanie Perrin:Adam was having success getting a room at Amadeu Abril's law school, but that will involve us all leaving the conference to go offsite<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:-webkit-standard;color:black"> Collin Kurre:we all remember their multistakeholder policy recommendations! I can't believe they get that much bandwidth still! I thought the sketchiness around the IP recs would
have outed them as an interest group through and through...<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:-webkit-standard;color:black"> Ayden Férdeline:no it is not fair to have to leave the venue, as nice as Barcelona is<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:-webkit-standard;color:black"> Ayden Férdeline:the Board always has spare rooms they never use<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:-webkit-standard;color:black"> Stephanie Perrin:COmplain to the CEO!!!!!!!!!<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:-webkit-standard;color:black"> Stephanie Perrin: you have a meeting coming up.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:-webkit-standard;color:black"> Collin Kurre:^^<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:-webkit-standard;color:black"> Amr Elsadr:Yes, Farzi. That sounds like a good topic for your meeting with the CEO.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:-webkit-standard;color:black"> Stephanie Perrin:I really feel that I am wasting my time doing this research project. <u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:-webkit-standard;color:black"> Farzaneh Badii:oh I will. list of complaints getting long :) <u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:-webkit-standard;color:black"> Amr Elsadr:So we can end the call 20 minutes early? :-)<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:-webkit-standard;color:black"> Tatiana Tropina:Amr, wishful thinking <u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:-webkit-standard;color:black"> Farzaneh Badii:oh 20 minutes of life? <u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:-webkit-standard;color:black"> Farzaneh Badii:or I can talk to you about DNA :)))<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:-webkit-standard;color:black"> Stephanie Perrin:Shall I write to the CEO with my proposal? Just to get it on the record?<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:-webkit-standard;color:black"> Ayden Férdeline:there is a hand raised<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:-webkit-standard;color:black"> Farzaneh Badii:let me handle this Steph ... dont get excited<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:-webkit-standard;color:black"> Farzaneh Badii:Rafik, Collin wants to talk<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:-webkit-standard;color:black"> Collin Kurre:it's cool I can wait<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:-webkit-standard;color:black"> Amr Elsadr:Your arm will get tired.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:-webkit-standard;color:black"> Collin Kurre:;)<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:-webkit-standard;color:black"> Tatiana Tropina::D<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:-webkit-standard;color:black"> Farzaneh Badii:your hand is blue now ... <u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:-webkit-standard;color:black"> Rafik Dammak:<a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.icann.org_public-2Dcomments-23open-2Dpublic&d=DwIFaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=SJoAZJPf4sll7c5HM-90jeUSDBNV8i1H6DgoihUn1_U&m=51nYcDqdDOcrM8k0vz8B69xsJxClrt896QByb3--dwI&s=PVrkI4MWuO0tcdZIZpo9Bykod3QoFJ227gdXiazrStQ&e=" target="_blank">https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.icann.org_public-2Dcomments-23open-2Dpublic&d=DwIFaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=SJoAZJPf4sll7c5HM-90jeUSDBNV8i1H6DgoihUn1_U&m=51nYcDqdDOcrM8k0vz8B69xsJxClrt896QByb3--dwI&s=PVrkI4MWuO0tcdZIZpo9Bykod3QoFJ227gdXiazrStQ&e=</a><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:-webkit-standard;color:black"> Amr Elsadr:Yes.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:-webkit-standard;color:black"> Tatiana Tropina:Yes Collin <u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:-webkit-standard;color:black"> Franco Giandana:I am sorry I have to leave sooner, something came up! I will be waiting for the minutes! <u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:-webkit-standard;color:black"> Collin Kurre:link to workshop for reference: <a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.intgovforum.org_multilingual_content_igf-2D2018-2Dws-2D349-2Da-2Dmultistakeholder-2Dapproach-2Dto-2Dhrias-2Dlessons-2Dfrom-2Dicann&d=DwIFaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=SJoAZJPf4sll7c5HM-90jeUSDBNV8i1H6DgoihUn1_U&m=51nYcDqdDOcrM8k0vz8B69xsJxClrt896QByb3--dwI&s=v9o0Gv6sgUntZbem7bDCnD5CUUXCQ6wN7rIWFc2WDN4&e=" target="_blank">https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.intgovforum.org_multilingual_content_igf-2D2018-2Dws-2D349-2Da-2Dmultistakeholder-2Dapproach-2Dto-2Dhrias-2Dlessons-2Dfrom-2Dicann&d=DwIFaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=SJoAZJPf4sll7c5HM-90jeUSDBNV8i1H6DgoihUn1_U&m=51nYcDqdDOcrM8k0vz8B69xsJxClrt896QByb3--dwI&s=v9o0Gv6sgUntZbem7bDCnD5CUUXCQ6wN7rIWFc2WDN4&e=</a><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:-webkit-standard;color:black"> Stephanie Perrin:Sadly, I am not getting excited, I am circling the Slough of Despond and the Depths of Despair (for non-english speakers, this refers to a very famous Tome written
centuries ago called Pilgrim's Progress....very Christian fantasy novel by John Bunyan, required reading for early American Protestants.... )<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:-webkit-standard;color:black"> Collin Kurre:There will be a LOT going on! :D<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:-webkit-standard;color:black"> Collin Kurre:New publications, new HRIA model, tapas...<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:-webkit-standard;color:black"> Tatiana Tropina:15 min for EPDP and AOB O_o<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:-webkit-standard;color:black"> Farzaneh Badii:EPDP? can I leave?<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:-webkit-standard;color:black"> Amr Elsadr:Can I come with you?<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:-webkit-standard;color:black"> Elsa Saade:haha get going guys<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:-webkit-standard;color:black"> Tatiana Tropina:I am leaving with no warning :-)<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:-webkit-standard;color:black"> Stephanie Perrin:No deserters, they will be shot<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:-webkit-standard;color:black"> Elsa Saade:and kudos to you all<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:-webkit-standard;color:black"> Rafik Dammak:Stephanie you need to be elected first :)<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:-webkit-standard;color:black"> Julf Helsingius:Yes, but I have also had lots of conflicts<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:-webkit-standard;color:black"> Amr Elsadr:Geez Stephanie!! Started cursing out loud. Thought you were quitting the EPDP for a minute!!<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:-webkit-standard;color:black"> Tatiana Tropina:Speth is you shoot all the deserters from this call we would have almost no one on EPDP ;-) <u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:-webkit-standard;color:black"> Julf Helsingius:As I am there already....<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:-webkit-standard;color:black"> Tatiana Tropina:*I made a typo in Steph's name ... I think it's almost time to leave for me <u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:-webkit-standard;color:black"> Julf Helsingius:Stephanie: if nobody else is interested, I am OK being the last resort of the audction proceeds wg<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:-webkit-standard;color:black"> Amr Elsadr:There are some who would prefer to continue with a pointless Review, just to avoid a precedent in abandoning accountability safeguards/bylaw requirements, such as reviews.
Or so they say...,<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:-webkit-standard;color:black"> Ayden Férdeline:i am happy to review the initial report of Auction Proceeds and work on the NCSG response... but i don't have the capacity to follow that working group every week<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:-webkit-standard;color:black"> Stephanie Perrin:I actually accept that rationale Amr....v dangerous to let the CEO decide to cancel. <u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:-webkit-standard;color:black"> Amr Elsadr:But like you said, it's a waste of time, effort and money.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:-webkit-standard;color:black"> Collin Kurre:EPDP's just going round and round<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:-webkit-standard;color:black"> Farzaneh Badii:haha<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:-webkit-standard;color:black"> Collin Kurre:"I will volunteer... YOU"<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:-webkit-standard;color:black"> Stephanie Perrin:Yes it is very very wearying. Thank goodness Volker is there.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:-webkit-standard;color:black"> Ekue Farell FOLLY:hahhaha funny<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:-webkit-standard;color:black"> Ayden Férdeline:4 calls thus far<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:-webkit-standard;color:black"> Stephanie Perrin:For those of us who were on the RDS......it is like going in circles forever. Dante's purgatorio....<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:-webkit-standard;color:black"> Ayden Férdeline:and constant fire firefighting, as some attempt to rewrite basic rules, i.e. the role of an alternate<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:-webkit-standard;color:black"> Julf Helsingius:Circles forever - or the circling leading down a whilrpool?<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:-webkit-standard;color:black"> Stephanie Perrin:we could rewrite the trilogy, I think Dante got it wrong. But then he had not experienced ICANN....<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:-webkit-standard;color:black"> Stephanie Perrin:(sorry, not inspiring the new recruits to volunteer, am I)<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:-webkit-standard;color:black"> Collin Kurre:great summary Amr<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:-webkit-standard;color:black"> Amr Elsadr:Actually forgot all about the early input!! Whoops!!<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:-webkit-standard;color:black"> Stephanie Perrin:So unless someone else comes forward, Julf is our guy on Auction Proceeds now, I will inform the group after the election closes...<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:-webkit-standard;color:black"> Julf Helsingius:Not keen, but... :)<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:-webkit-standard;color:black"> Stephanie Perrin:Perfect, I need to tell them I am departing first I think Rafik....<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:-webkit-standard;color:black"> Farzaneh Badii:oh come on. you are keen Julf<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:-webkit-standard;color:black"> Stephanie Perrin:Would a post mortem on it be useful?<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:-webkit-standard;color:black"> Collin Kurre:Absolutely.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:-webkit-standard;color:black"> Collin Kurre:imo<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:-webkit-standard;color:black"> Stephanie Perrin:I think so too.....we need more sessions, not similar to this topic. <u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:-webkit-standard;color:black"> Collin Kurre:Agree that those are very useful skills, Farz<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:-webkit-standard;color:black"> Julf Helsingius:I agree, Stephanie<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:-webkit-standard;color:black"> Rafik Dammak:the consultant cannot help for pdp or other susbtance matters because it is not his field<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:-webkit-standard;color:black"> Amr Elsadr:Number 1 barrier is ability to commit time and effort. All other barriers can be overcome, if this one can.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:-webkit-standard;color:black"> Farzaneh Badii:we have been working on that Stephanie. <u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:-webkit-standard;color:black"> Farzaneh Badii:I have been doing webinars on it, I share slides with them,. it's a matter of "reading"<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:-webkit-standard;color:black"> Collin Kurre:To be fair ICANN org doesn't always help. Their comms lately have leant themselves to a wider interpretation of mandate (i.e. references to fake news, etc)<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:-webkit-standard;color:black"> Austin Ruckstuhl:Stephanie, how about you just mentor me as a newcomer! ;) <u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:-webkit-standard;color:black"> Farzaneh Badii:great idea Austin<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:-webkit-standard;color:black"> Amr Elsadr:@Farzi: Yes..., "reading" is part of the "effort" required.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:-webkit-standard;color:black"> Amr Elsadr:New members should really try to ask questions, especially during these calls. Many of us would be happy to answer any.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:-webkit-standard;color:black"> Julf Helsingius:"you need to be patient" applies to pretty much everything in ICANN<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:-webkit-standard;color:black"> Stephanie Perrin:Happy to mentor you Austin, just ask me questions!<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:-webkit-standard;color:black"> Amr Elsadr:"you need to have thick skin" is another.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:-webkit-standard;color:black"> Stephanie Perrin:I think we need quizzes. When people cannot answer the questions, we provide references. Sort of a self learning tool. <u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:-webkit-standard;color:black"> Collin Kurre:I could use some help in the CCWP-HR. I'm happy to mentor, instruct, and parcel out small tasks to newcomers who are interested in the topic of ICANN and human rights.
Perhaps allowing people to start off mastering one little corner of the ecosystem is a useful approach.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:-webkit-standard;color:black"> Farzaneh Badii:hahaha<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:-webkit-standard;color:black"> Claire Craig:Thanks for that comment Farzaneh<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:-webkit-standard;color:black"> Amr Elsadr:@Collin: Mastering one little corner is extremely useful.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:-webkit-standard;color:black"> Austin Ruckstuhl:Thanks everyone. I love the idea of a quiz! Thanks Stephanie<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:-webkit-standard;color:black"> Tatiana Tropina:HR group is a great way to get engaged, I can confirm :-)<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:-webkit-standard;color:black"> Claire Craig:really appreciated, because it can be quite overwhelming<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:-webkit-standard;color:black"> Stephanie Perrin:Mine is so thick that when Fik tells me to be concise, I don't even hear it anymore....<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:-webkit-standard;color:black"> Amr Elsadr:@Stephanie: haha!!<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:-webkit-standard;color:black"> Amr Elsadr:Thanks all. Bye.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:-webkit-standard;color:black"> Tatiana Tropina:yay. Thanks all! <u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:-webkit-standard;color:black"> Stephanie Perrin:Thanks Fik for Chairing1<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:-webkit-standard;color:black"> Tatiana Tropina:bye<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:-webkit-standard;color:black"> Claire Craig:bye<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:-webkit-standard;color:black"> Julf Helsingius:Thanks all!<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:-webkit-standard;color:black"> Farzaneh Badii:bye all <u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:-webkit-standard;color:black"> Ayden Férdeline:thanks all<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:-webkit-standard;color:black"> Olga Kyryliuk:Thanks, bye<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Kind regards,<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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