<div><div>Super, thanks Ayden! And again, thanks to everyone who gave the draft a look, your additions made it as complete as possible given the timeframe!</div></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">E.</div><div dir="auto">—</div><div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div>On Fri, Jul 27, 2018 at 12:42 PM Ayden Férdeline <<a href="mailto:icann@ferdeline.com">icann@ferdeline.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div>Hi Elsa,</div>
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<div>Just a small clarification, the other changes were made in "suggestion mode." However they were accepted by the Policy Committee Chair already (perhaps before you saw them?), as they also have editing privileges for the document. </div>
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<div dir="auto">Thanks! I accepted some of the suggestions earlier today! What I was referring to was the added parts to the doc which I think are extremely important to keep an eye out for. Especially the list of extra data that we need and cannot find in the inventory
for instance. It would have been good for members to check them out (there’s a small discussion happening on there, if we should add all the items currently in the list or not). And in the history, changes can be found most times but the person
who made the changes would almost always be "anonymous". Which would make it hard to ask for fast clarification. That’s what I was referring to :)</div>
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<div>I have made some rather substantial (proposed) edits to this statement now. In response to your comment, I have cited recommendation 10.5 of the Accountability and Transparency Review 2, and called for ICANN to provide non-commercial stakeholders
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<div>The Policy Committee is looking over this comment now (hence my last minute edits), but if there are any additional comments/suggestions that anyone has, we would still be able to consider them if they are added to the document today:
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<div>While I fully endorse as much open data access for ICANN as is possible, without compromising personal privacy, I am sobered by the general view that in Open Government Data most of the benefits go to the deep pocketed stakeholders (corporate entities)
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<div>Giving civil society access, without it having research resources, leaves it dependent on those few academics who will mine the data in the public interest, or when it just occasionally catches data outliers that raise concerns.
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<div>Thank you and the team for taking the time for drafting the comment. I find that the points raised in the comment are indeed relevant! From a broader perspective, it is good that ICANN has plans to publish more data - I can see a lot of potential
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