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<p>Thanks to all who worked on this. Here is a related reading which
I recommend highly:<br>
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<p><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://manypossibilities.net/2018/05/open-telecom-data-moving-forward/">https://manypossibilities.net/2018/05/open-telecom-data-moving-forward/</a></p>
<p>Anriette<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 27/07/2018 18:43, Elsa S wrote:<br>
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<div>Super, thanks Ayden! And again, thanks to everyone who gave
the draft a look, your additions made it as complete as
possible given the timeframe!</div>
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<div>On Fri, Jul 27, 2018 at 12:42 PM Ayden Férdeline <<a
href="mailto:icann@ferdeline.com" moz-do-not-send="true">icann@ferdeline.com</a>>
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<div>Hi Elsa,</div>
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<div>Just a small clarification, the other changes were made
in "suggestion mode." However they were accepted by the
Policy Committee Chair already (perhaps before you saw
them?), as they also have editing privileges for the
document. </div>
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<div>The deadline for the submission of this comment to
ICANN org is 23:59 UTC tonight, so it is already with the
Policy Committee for review. We have been looking over the
document for a few days now and discussing, hence why some
edits were already accepted. </div>
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<div>Best wishes,</div>
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<div>Ayden</div>
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On Fri, Jul 27, 2018 at 18:13, Elsa S <<a
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<div>Hey Ayden,</div>
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<div dir="auto">Thanks! I accepted some of the
suggestions earlier today! What I was referring to was
the added parts to the doc which I think are extremely
important to keep an eye out for. Especially the list
of extra data that we need and cannot find in the
inventory for instance. It would have been good for
members to check them out (there’s a small discussion
happening on there, if we should add all the items
currently in the list or not). And in the history,
changes can be found most times but the person who
made the changes would almost always be "anonymous".
Which would make it hard to ask for fast
clarification. That’s what I was referring to :)</div>
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<div dir="auto">But thanks for offering to help! It’s
appreciated.</div>
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<div dir="auto">Best,</div>
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<div dir="auto">Elsa</div>
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<div>On Fri, Jul 27, 2018 at 12:09 PM Ayden
Férdeline <<a href="mailto:icann@ferdeline.com"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">icann@ferdeline.com</a>>
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<div>Hi Elsa,</div>
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<div>All of the changes that I made to the
document were in ‘suggestion mode’, but someone
else with editing privileges has
already accepted some of them. (I have received
notifications from Google that this has
happened.) In the history tab, however, you can
turn them back on to see what changes have been
made to the document and which have been
accepted by other editors. Please let me know
off-list if you’d like me to show you how to see
these edits.</div>
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<div>Best wishes,</div>
<div>
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<div>Ayden</div>
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On Fri, Jul 27, 2018 at 18:00, Elsa S <<a
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Ayden,</div>
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<div class="gmail_default"
style="font-family:georgia,serif;font-size:small">Reviewing
the comment and suggestions as we speak.
Many of the changes were not mapped. Could
we for future comments' reference, map our
changes in order for us to make sure we
have a good progress report on the google
doc? It would be best I think.</div>
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<div class="gmail_default"
style="font-family:georgia,serif;font-size:small">Thank
you for your efforts, and thank you all
for all the comments and engagement. We'll
be sending this to the Policy Committee
for their review by the end of this
working day.</div>
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<div class="gmail_default"
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Jul 27,
2018 at 6:27 AM, Ayden Férdeline <span><<a
href="mailto:icann@ferdeline.com"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">icann@ferdeline.com</a>></span>
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<div>Hi Raoul,</div>
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<div>I will forward your message to
the Policy Committee to review.</div>
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My initial reaction is, I’m not sure
why we would need to make the case for
the benefits of open data, when ICANN
has already committed to making it
available?
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<div>Best wishes, Ayden
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<div>On 27 Jul 2018, at
12:23, Raoul Plommer <<a
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<div>Sorry for being late
in returning to this,
but could we add a
sentence or just a small
list on why opening data
is commendable?
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face="arial,
helvetica,
sans-serif">Open
data offers
benefits in many
areas and ICANN
could gain from:</font>
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<li
style="box-sizing:inherit"><font
face="arial,
helvetica,
sans-serif">Transparency
and democratic
control</font>
</li>
<li
style="box-sizing:inherit"><font
face="arial,
helvetica,
sans-serif">Participation</font>
</li>
<li
style="box-sizing:inherit"><font
face="arial,
helvetica,
sans-serif">Self-empowerment</font>
</li>
<li
style="box-sizing:inherit"><font
face="arial,
helvetica,
sans-serif">Improved
or new private
products and
services</font>
</li>
<li
style="box-sizing:inherit"><font
face="arial,
helvetica,
sans-serif">Innovation</font>
</li>
<li
style="box-sizing:inherit"><font
face="arial,
helvetica,
sans-serif">Improved
efficiency of
services</font>
</li>
<li
style="box-sizing:inherit"><font
face="arial,
helvetica,
sans-serif">Improved
effectiveness of
services</font>
</li>
<li
style="box-sizing:inherit"><font
face="arial,
helvetica,
sans-serif">Impact
measurement of
policies</font>
</li>
<li
style="box-sizing:inherit"><font
face="arial,
helvetica,
sans-serif">New
knowledge from
combined data
sources and
patterns in
large data
volumes</font>
</li>
</ul>
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<br>
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<div>-Raoul</div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On
26 July 2018 at 13:54,
Ayden Férdeline <span><<a
href="mailto:icann@ferdeline.com" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">icann@ferdeline.com</a>></span>
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<div>Hi Sam,
<br>
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<div>I have made
some rather
substantial
(proposed) edits
to this statement
now. In response
to your comment, I
have
cited recommendation
10.5 of the
Accountability and
Transparency
Review 2, and
called for ICANN
to provide
non-commercial
stakeholders with
the resources
required in order
to interrogate and
analyse this data.
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<div>The Policy
Committee is
looking over this
comment now (hence
my last minute
edits), but if
there are any
additional
comments/suggestions
that anyone has,
we would still be
able to consider
them if they are
added to the
document today:
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<div><a
href="https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ZmWcncubvRV572mZyU0pRKTkgD8K7sT4qPXcn01lk0U/edit?usp=sharing"
target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ZmWcncubvRV572mZyU0pRKTkgD8K7sT4qPXcn01lk0U/edit?usp=sharing</a>
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<div>Best wishes,</div>
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Férdeline
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<div>On 23 July
2018 9:02 PM,
Sam Lanfranco
<<a
href="mailto:lanfran@YORKU.CA"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">lanfran@YORKU.CA</a>> wrote:
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<div>Colleagues,
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<div>While I
fully endorse
as much open
data access
for ICANN as
is possible,
without
compromising
personal
privacy, I am
sobered by the
general view
that in Open
Government
Data most of
the benefits
go to the deep
pocketed
stakeholders
(corporate
entities) that
have the
financial
resources to
mine the data.
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<div>Giving
civil society
access,
without it
having
research
resources,
leaves it
dependent on
those few
academics who
will mine the
data in the
public
interest, or
when it just
occasionally
catches data
outliers that
raise
concerns.
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<div>Sam L.,
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Jul 22, 2018
at 11:54 PM,
Raphaël
Beauregard-Lacroix
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<div>Hi Elsa,
hi all,
<br>
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<div>
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</div>
<div>Thank you
and the team
for taking the
time for
drafting the
comment. I
find that the
points raised
in the comment
are indeed
relevant!
From a broader
perspective,
it is good
that ICANN has
plans to
publish more
data - I can
see a lot of
potential for
qualitative
and
quantitative
research here
in various
fields of
social
sciences!
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</div>
<div>
<br>
</div>
<div>Best,
<br>
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