<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class="">+1 <br class=""><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Jul 23, 2018, at 11:23, Tapani Tarvainen <<a href="mailto:ncsg@TAPANI.TARVAINEN.INFO" class="">ncsg@TAPANI.TARVAINEN.INFO</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div class="">Dear Farzaneh, all:<br class=""><br class="">On Jul 23 01:57, farzaneh badii (<a href="mailto:farzaneh.badii@GMAIL.COM" class="">farzaneh.badii@GMAIL.COM</a>) wrote:<br class=""><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class="">Here is a suggestion:<br class=""><br class="">I believe the way to resolve this issue is: organizational rep who is an<br class="">individual member should decide whether s/he wants to be the official<br class="">representative of the org. If s/he wants to be the official rep, then s/he<br class="">needs to forfeit their individual membership, to prevent double voting. If<br class="">they are willing to be "additional rep" of their organization who cannot<br class="">vote in the elections, then they can keep their individual membership. That<br class="">way, they can freely participate in their individual capacity whenever they<br class="">need to while at the same time be able to represent their organization (but<br class="">not vote).<br class=""><br class="">Is this suggestion against the charter?<br class=""></blockquote><br class="">I think this could be doable without charter change, with some caveats.<br class=""><br class="">Specifically, I don't think that could be made automatic, with<br class="">immediate effect or a mere secretarial function, but it could be added<br class="">to the member removal procedures of the EC.<br class=""><br class="">Key paragraph in NCSG charter is this (at end of 2.2.5):<br class=""><br class="">"An individual who is a member of or employee of a non commercial<br class="">organization, which is itself a member of the NCSG, may apply for, or<br class="">retain membership, in the NCSG only under the first criteria for<br class="">individual membership, i.e. be an individual noncommercial<br class="">registrant. Such membership is subject to Executive Committee review."<br class=""><br class="">So the EC has the power to remove such members, but it'd have to<br class="">review and decide each case separately and follow the approved member<br class="">removal procedures.<br class=""><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class="">or does it not solve the problem?<br class=""></blockquote><br class="">Depending on details, it might introduce other problems. In particular<br class="">timing issues. Some organizations move slowly and might have trouble<br class="">finding a new representative at a short notice, for example if all their<br class="">members who are interested in NCSG are already individual members and<br class="">would not want to lose their membership.<br class=""><br class="">One way around that would be leaving the EC leeway so they could, for<br class="">example, allow such dual role on the condition that the individual<br class="">voluntarily refrains from voting with their individual vote while<br class="">representing the organization, or make an exception in a case where<br class="">it is known the organization actually explicitly directs their vote.<br class="">Or an exception could be made temporarily until the organization<br class="">has had enough time to find another representative.<br class=""><br class="">So at this point that would be my suggestion: review the member<br class="">removal procedures (actually I think that process is presently under<br class="">way, unless they've been approved while I was too busy to notice) and<br class="">add text about how the EC should handle this situation. Details are<br class="">debatable but at least the EC should be able to remove a member who<br class="">seems to be "gaming the system" this way.<br class=""><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class="">Also, let's not get ahead of ourselves. There is no "serious<br class="">compromise" in the system.<br class=""></blockquote><br class="">Yes. This is not all that big a problem, I don't see any major<br class="">disaster looming whichever way we do it, nor any reason to rush it.<br class=""><br class="">-- <br class="">Tapani Tarvainen<br class=""></div></div></blockquote></div><br class=""><div class="">
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