<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class="">Hello Farzaneh,<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Thanks for raising this issue on the broader list. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">As you imply, one could imagine a situation where an individual member holds views that differ from their organization’s positions or strategies. Perhaps the more fundamental question is whether one person can be both an organizational representative <i class="">and</i> and individual member. Deciding on this question would preempt the need to determine whether an organizational opinion should invalidate the representing individual’s.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Full disclosure: I was one of the organizational reps who was contacted and opted to forfeit my individual vote in the interest of fairness until this matter is decided by the group.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Kind regards,</div><div class="">Collin Kurre</div><div class=""><br class=""><div class=""><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><div class=""><div class="">--</div>Collin Kurre<br class=""><div class="">ARTICLE 19</div></div><div class=""><br class=""></div></div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;"><br class="Apple-interchange-newline">
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<br class=""><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Jul 21, 2018, at 12:21 PM, farzaneh badii <<a href="mailto:farzaneh.badii@gmail.com" class="">farzaneh.badii@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Dear all, </div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br class=""></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">I have sent the message below to NCSG EC and I think we need to have a discussion about it and make an official decision on this issue. Please chime in:</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br class=""></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial">At the moment the organizational reps who are individual members of NCSG can participate in the elections as both organizational rep and individual members. Apparently, it has been discussed repeatedly in the past with no decision. Other than they said it is not against the charter.<br class=""></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial"><br class=""></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial">Not having remembered that it has been discussed but no decision made, I started contacting those who were listed as an individual member as well as organizational rep on the check-in list and asked them to choose whether they want to be individual members or represent their organization, since being both allowed them to vote twice which I think is not acceptable for the integrity of elections. Tapani corrected me and said the issue was discussed but never decided against <span class=""></span><a href="https://lists.ncsg.is/pipermail/election-reform/2017-June/000021.html" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank" style="color:rgb(17,85,204);font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)" class="">https://lists.ncsg.is/pipermail/election-reform/2017-June/000021.html</a></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial"><br class=""></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial">I personally think it is unfair to allow organizational reps who are individual members to vote twice. This is because organizational reps (usually but not always) have autonomy from their organization to vote as they see appropriate and do not have a mandate as such. If they are also individual members, it provides them with the opportunity to vote twice and I think we need to fix it. </div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial"><br class=""></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial">It might be too late to do this in this election but we need to discuss and make a decision. I have started explaining the rationale to those who are organizational reps as well as individual members and asked them to decide what they want to do for this election voluntarily until we make a decision. </div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial"><br class=""></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial"><br class=""></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial">Best</div><br class="gmail-Apple-interchange-newline"><br class=""></div><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class=""><font face="verdana, sans-serif" class="">Farzaneh </font></div></div></div></div></div>
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