<div dir="auto">We should get on with the program, approve new members and send information requests to applicants that we needed more information from. Hopefully we can then approve them promptly, after receiving adequate responses.<div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">-Raoul</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr">On Tue, Jul 10, 2018, 23:46 farzaneh badii <<a href="mailto:farzaneh.badii@gmail.com">farzaneh.badii@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div><div><div dir="auto">Dear all </div></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">My intention was to show good faith and taking a step forward towards making improvements in our processes. Which I promised during the campaign and we are making progress. In the process of explaining myself and providing my reasons I gave the impression that people, leaders members cannot ask questions. This is not the case. I make myself readily available to answer questions transparently and on this mailing list. </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">As to the time that it took for membership approval, NCSG EC members have to all go through each applicant and comment. This takes us time, because not at all times everyone is responsive. There was also a glitch with the system. We have made improvements on that. I am also working on making civicrm (our database management) more efficient. </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">As to the other concerns Raoul is mentioning, I am not so clear what he means by kicking out a "selected member" from EC list. As soon as he clarifies I will explain as much as I can. </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">We always inform approved members periodically and not wait for other inquiries but<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;display:inline">t</div>he system didn't save ncsg ec members comments. There was approximately a 20 day delay. If I am not mistaken. </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">What can we do about that? If we are running late we can send emails to the applicants. We can also have a confirmation email set up. <div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;display:inline"></div></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">I am not denying the shortcomings. I encourage you to contact me if you have any question regarding decisions. I will remain responsive. </div></div><div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">There is always something not to be liked or a leadership style you might not approve of. We can have discussions to resolve them. </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">It's a pat on the shoulder but I am and was very much an advocate for outreach and making opportunities for it to happen. </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Best</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Farzaneh</div><br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr">On Tue, Jul 10, 2018 at 3:28 PM Arsène Tungali <<a href="mailto:arsenebaguma@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">arsenebaguma@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto">Raoul,<div><br><div>Can you elaborate more on circumstances that led to an elected NCUC EC member to be quicked out of the list? I think this is outrageous if it happens to be true.</div><div><br></div><div>Thanks,</div><div>Arsene<br><br><div id="m_-5341413692008929673m_8912310708020502719m_-8753874852663461940m_1660249431301718215AppleMailSignature"><div>-----------------</div><div>Arsène Tungali,</div><div><a href="http://about.me/ArseneTungali" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">about.me/ArseneTungali</a></div><div>+243 993810967</div><div>GPG: 523644A0</div><div>Goma, Democratic Republic of Congo</div><div><br></div>Sent from my iPhone (excuse typos)</div></div></div></div><div dir="auto"><div><div><div><br>On Jul 10, 2018, at 8:04 PM, Raoul Plommer <<a href="mailto:plommer@GMAIL.COM" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">plommer@GMAIL.COM</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><br></div><div>It is outrageous that the NCUC Chair would seek to put pressure on you to approve applications for membership who do not fulfil our membership criteria. We are here to defend non-commercial uses and users of the Domain Name System, and must be careful not to allow those who do not support a free and open Internet to use our platform in order to push different priorities.<br></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Ayden, I think it's pretty far from outrageous, that a constituency chair is asking about the status of membership applications that were filled months ago.
<span style="font-size:small;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;float:none;display:inline">I understand the frustration even more when it's not so much NCSG that does the outreach, but its constituencies. Especially Renata has brought more members to the NCSG than anyone else, as far as I know and having too many member applications is definitely a positive problem. But I'm not so concerned about the approval of new members as treating our current ones - the NCSG chair kicking out a selected member from the NCUC EC mailing list without consulting the EC chair (or anyone else in EC) is a lot worse in my eyes and shows open disregard for good protocol and due process.</span><br><br>But yeah, back to member candidates, usually the delay doesn't come from denying GAC members or IGOs who might actually have very different viewpoints for internet, but from trying to get an answer from authentic applicants on making noncommercial DNS policy.<br><br>More often than not with unclear motives, we actually have to ask how they would be contributing in making DNS policy. On top of that, we've had serious problems with a broken registry for new members as well as the scheduling meetings and coordinating the ~unanimous approval of members between all five members of the EC in very different time zones. So it's not all that easy even when the registry is working, which it still isn't.</div><div><br></div><div>The NCSG EC members have decided to ask for some clarifications on a good few member applications but by no means should we let all the approved candidates wait for those requests to be filled. This could be improved quite easily, at least once the registry is working again.</div><div><br></div><div>-Raoul</div></div><br></div></div>
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