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<p><font size="+1"><font face="Lucida Grande">Remmy, in my
experience committees are only as strong as the work they do.
That depends on people getting organized, developing a plan,
and coming together to achieve their goals. As Rafik said a
moment ago....our job as a GNSO stakeholder group is to
develop policy, and we have a pile of it ahead of us this
year. The Finance committee has been around since at least
2013, but it is not clear what work they have engaged in , or
how you are engaging since you joined. As I said, an update
at the monthly policy meetings would be very helpful to keep
us all informed. We are now in a declining revenues
environment where ICANN may decrease our funding in order to
manage the budget, so it would be good if the committee could
get organized and first of all examine the ICANN expenditures
and budget, as well as ensuring our own fiscal management.
Metrics for value resulting from travel requests (e.g. CROP,
outside meetings etc.) ought to be developed, in my view.<br>
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<p><font size="+1"><font face="Lucida Grande">The point in getting
speedy notice of lapsing travel spots, is so that we can
reallocate the funds to other candidates, and ensure that
leadership roles have well informed back up people who are
ready and able to fly in at short notice and at reasonable
cost. While we are not allocated a travel budget to manage
ourselves (it is all managed and approved by Constituency
Travel), our travel costs are all publicly displayed and
criticised by other stakeholder groups when excessive (due to
last minute requests, extra demands etc.). Accountability
starts at home. <br>
</font></font></p>
<p><font size="+1"><font face="Lucida Grande">Believe me, we need
all 6 councilors to be there and be on their toes at the three
major public meetings, especially with Rafik as Vice-Chair, he
is already working overtime on Council management. I am of
course interested in hearing your rationale as to why travel
slots should be allocated to Finance Committee members, but
until there is tangible work in progress, I would think it is
a lower priority. As anyone who is staffing the PDPs, the
Review teams, and the Council will tell you, we cannot keep up
with the work and need all the help we can get when meeting
face to face.</font></font></p>
<p><font size="+1"><font face="Lucida Grande">Kind regards</font></font></p>
<p><font size="+1"><font face="Lucida Grande">Stephanie</font></font><br>
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<div dir="auto">Thanks Stephanie for the comments.
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<div dir="auto">Frankly speaking we are building the Finance
Committee from scratch and actually held our first meeting
last week as the current NCSG-FC as follow up of ICANN62.</div>
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<div dir="auto">Hence we are surprised that out of two
committees statutorily under NCSG and little concern is
given in strengthening the other and pray that changes soon.</div>
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<div dir="auto">Also We are in the process of getting some
first hand updates to facilitate agenda for future meeting
calls within the NCSG-FC specifics.</div>
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<p><font size="+1"><font face="Lucida Grande">I am
impressed Remmy, I had no idea you folks were doing
all that work! Can you please point us to the
meeting transcripts and mailing list archives? I
would like to catch up. I am on the GNSO Council
finance committee</font></font>, <font size="+1">but
was unaware all this work was going on within NCSG.
Perhaps the Finance Committee should have a regular
update agenda item at the monthly NCSG Policy Meeting
call?</font></p>
<p><font size="+1">Kind regards, <br>
</font></p>
<p><font size="+1">Stephanie Perrin</font><br>
</p>
<div class="m_-8241667756424689435moz-cite-prefix">On
2018-07-07 16:08, Remmy Nweke wrote:<br>
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style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(34,34,34);background:white">Thanks
for the response Farzaneh,</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in
0.0001pt;line-height:normal;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span
style="font-family:"Times New
Roman",serif"><span> </span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in
0.0001pt;line-height:normal;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span
style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(34,34,34)">I think it
would amount to not wanting to make Finance
Committee improve on its working processes and
mandate to sound it off as mere “protecting the
interest of members or wanting to score travel
slot” which I think negates the purpose of the
Finance Committee or probably why it has been in
comatose lately. <span></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in
0.0001pt;line-height:normal;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span
style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(34,34,34)"><span> </span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in
0.0001pt;line-height:normal;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span
style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(34,34,34)">For your
information, the role and mandate of Finance
Committee as contained in the NCSG Charter Section
2.6 is very clear and is not limited to the
following:<span></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in
0.0001pt;line-height:normal;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span
style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(34,34,34)"><span> </span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in
0.0001pt;line-height:normal;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Develop
and deploy a fund raising plan for the NCSG;<span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in
0.0001pt;line-height:normal;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in
0.0001pt;line-height:normal;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Work
with the ICANN’s staff to determine levels of
support available to the NCSG;<span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in
0.0001pt;line-height:normal;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in
0.0001pt;line-height:normal;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Work
with ICANN finance officers to insure the NCSG and
its Constituencies receive fair and equivalent
financial support from ICANN;<span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in
0.0001pt;line-height:normal;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in
0.0001pt;line-height:normal;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Accounting
for any funds received by the NCSG from any source.
This accounting will include the following:<span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in
0.0001pt;line-height:normal;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in
0.0001pt;line-height:normal;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">All
funds raised by voluntary membership fees or
otherwise must be held in a separate NCSG account.<span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in
0.0001pt;line-height:normal;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in
0.0001pt;line-height:normal;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Proper
controls must be implemented.<span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in
0.0001pt;line-height:normal;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in
0.0001pt;line-height:normal;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Regarding
Expenditures, FC is to among others see that:<span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in
0.0001pt;line-height:normal;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><br>
</p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in
0.0001pt;line-height:normal;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Financial
reports must be prepared annually and be made
public.<span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in
0.0001pt;line-height:normal;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Provide
internal conflict resolution process regarding
funds.<span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in
0.0001pt;line-height:normal;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Provide
the oversight of the Treasurer function.<span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in
0.0001pt;line-height:normal;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in
0.0001pt;line-height:normal;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Fulfill
any other accounting, auditing or other prescribed
financial requirements as set by the ICANN Board of
Directors for organizations within the ICANN
structure.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in
0.0001pt;line-height:normal;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in
0.0001pt;line-height:normal;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">For
now, the present crop of FC are not people who are
merely seeking exposure, but want to contribute its
quota, and thus find it unhealthy that Finance
Committee is being relegated.<span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in
0.0001pt;line-height:normal;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in
0.0001pt;line-height:normal;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Looking
at most of the responsibilities of the Finance
Committee, its stakeholders<span> </span>and
possible time for most of its functions and
oversights must be dealt with within the ICANN
stakeholdes meeting for proper engagement.<span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in
0.0001pt;line-height:normal;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in
0.0001pt;line-height:normal;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Finally,
its in the best interest of <b>NCSG-EC</b> that the
Finance Committee work and works well, so as to pave
way for more accountability and transparency in our
process and overtly more funding for our
stakeholders.<span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in
0.0001pt;line-height:normal;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">We
cannot be demanding accountability and transparency
from other stakeholders and tactically frustrate the
efforts of Finance Committee thereby making the
committee look as irredeemables.<span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in
0.0001pt;line-height:normal;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><br>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On 7 Jul 2018 9:39 pm, "Stephanie
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<p><font size="+1"><font face="Lucida Grande">I am
impressed Remmy, I had no idea you folks were doing
all that work! Can you please point us to the
meeting transcripts and mailing list archives? I
would like to catch up. I am on the GNSO Council
finance committee</font></font>, <font size="+1">but
was unaware all this work was going on within NCSG.
Perhaps the Finance Committee should have a regular
update agenda item at the monthly NCSG Policy Meeting
call?</font></p>
<p><font size="+1">Kind regards, <br>
</font></p>
<p><font size="+1">Stephanie Perrin</font><br>
</p>
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<div class="m_-8241667756424689435moz-cite-prefix">On
2018-07-07 16:08, Remmy Nweke wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in
0.0001pt;line-height:normal;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span
style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(34,34,34);background:white">Thanks
for the response Farzaneh,</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in
0.0001pt;line-height:normal;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span
style="font-family:"Times New
Roman",serif"><span> </span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in
0.0001pt;line-height:normal;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span
style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(34,34,34)">I think it
would amount to not wanting to make Finance
Committee improve on its working processes and
mandate to sound it off as mere “protecting the
interest of members or wanting to score travel
slot” which I think negates the purpose of the
Finance Committee or probably why it has been in
comatose lately. <span></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in
0.0001pt;line-height:normal;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span
style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(34,34,34)"><span> </span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in
0.0001pt;line-height:normal;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span
style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(34,34,34)">For your
information, the role and mandate of Finance
Committee as contained in the NCSG Charter
Section 2.6 is very clear and is not limited to
the following:<span></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in
0.0001pt;line-height:normal;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span
style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(34,34,34)"><span> </span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in
0.0001pt;line-height:normal;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Develop
and deploy a fund raising plan for the NCSG;<span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in
0.0001pt;line-height:normal;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in
0.0001pt;line-height:normal;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Work
with the ICANN’s staff to determine levels of
support available to the NCSG;<span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in
0.0001pt;line-height:normal;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in
0.0001pt;line-height:normal;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Work
with ICANN finance officers to insure the NCSG and
its Constituencies receive fair and equivalent
financial support from ICANN;<span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in
0.0001pt;line-height:normal;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in
0.0001pt;line-height:normal;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Accounting
for any funds received by the NCSG from any
source. This accounting will include the
following:<span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in
0.0001pt;line-height:normal;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in
0.0001pt;line-height:normal;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">All
funds raised by voluntary membership fees or
otherwise must be held in a separate NCSG account.<span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in
0.0001pt;line-height:normal;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in
0.0001pt;line-height:normal;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Proper
controls must be implemented.<span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in
0.0001pt;line-height:normal;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in
0.0001pt;line-height:normal;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Regarding
Expenditures, FC is to among others see that:<span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in
0.0001pt;line-height:normal;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><br>
</p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in
0.0001pt;line-height:normal;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Financial
reports must be prepared annually and be made
public.<span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in
0.0001pt;line-height:normal;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Provide
internal conflict resolution process regarding
funds.<span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in
0.0001pt;line-height:normal;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Provide
the oversight of the Treasurer function.<span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in
0.0001pt;line-height:normal;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in
0.0001pt;line-height:normal;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Fulfill
any other accounting, auditing or other prescribed
financial requirements as set by the ICANN Board
of Directors for organizations within the ICANN
structure.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in
0.0001pt;line-height:normal;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in
0.0001pt;line-height:normal;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">For
now, the present crop of FC are not people who are
merely seeking exposure, but want to contribute
its quota, and thus find it unhealthy that Finance
Committee is being relegated.<span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in
0.0001pt;line-height:normal;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in
0.0001pt;line-height:normal;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Looking
at most of the responsibilities of the Finance
Committee, its stakeholders<span> </span>and
possible time for most of its functions and
oversights must be dealt with within the ICANN
stakeholdes meeting for proper engagement.<span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in
0.0001pt;line-height:normal;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in
0.0001pt;line-height:normal;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Finally,
its in the best interest of <b>NCSG-EC</b> that
the Finance Committee work and works well, so as
to pave way for more accountability and
transparency in our process and overtly more
funding for our stakeholders.<span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in
0.0001pt;line-height:normal;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">We
cannot be demanding accountability and
transparency from other stakeholders and
tactically frustrate the efforts of Finance
Committee thereby making the committee look as
irredeemables.<span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in
0.0001pt;line-height:normal;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><br>
</p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in
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