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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060">Dear All,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060">Please find attendance and recording of the
<b>NCSG Policy Call on 03 July 2018 at 1200 UTC</b><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="color:#002060">Attendance: </span></b><span style="color:#002060">Ayden Férdeline, Caleb Ogundele, Farell Folly, Elsa Saade, Farzaneh Badii, Gustavo Paiva, Ioana Stupariu, James Njoeoge Gitau, Joan Katambi, Krishna Seeburn,
Louise Marie Hurel, Milton Mueller, Poncelet Ileleji, Rafik Dammak, Razoana Moslam, Renata Aquino Ribeiro, Shah Zahidur Rahman, Stephanie Perrin, Tatiana Tropina, Tomslin Samme-nlar, Vernatius Okwu Ezeama, Zhou Heng</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="color:#002060"><o:p> </o:p></span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="color:#002060">Mp3: </span></b><span style="color:#002060">Attached<b><o:p></o:p></b></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="color:#002060">Viewing Link</span></b><span style="color:#002060">:
<a href="https://participate.icann.org/p2cd4nzxgm9/">https://participate.icann.org/p2cd4nzxgm9/</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="color:#002060">AC Chat:<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Maryam Bakoshi:Dear all, welcome to the NCSG Policy Call on Tuesday 03 July 2018 at 1200 UTC<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Ayden Férdeline:strange echo<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Gustavo Paiva:Yes<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Rafik:hello<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Ayden Férdeline:no Rafik, i can hear you speak - followed by a very strange echoing sound<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Ioana Stupariu:Hello everyone. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Elsa Saade:Hey all<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Ayden Férdeline:hi all<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Tatiana Tropina:hi everyone <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Maryam Bakoshi:Welcome all<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Razoana Moslam:hey everyone <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Shah Zahidur Rahman:hi everyone<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Ayden Férdeline:let's wait a few seconds pls, Stephanie just logging in now<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Farzaneh Badii:oh the adobe connect link is theree too I will send him the link in a messagee<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Stephanie Perrin:Thanks Ayden, wow no idea why I am having so much trouble with AC but finally got in. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Zhou Heng:Hi, all<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Tatiana Tropina:<a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__docs.google.com_document_d_1-5FRtCroFrgWT3rfJVkC-5FPfqjogSRcWEirovJzA1cWqV8_edit&d=DwIFaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=1A9IIOkJia11FXDmJ1R4Jn7wGT4ExHiVuBF89mvNt_Q&m=m1o1e6rdpQtF1x7EVC2xR9pYzWbLnhZ2oaJYfhgCGV4&s=bfUdX6akSrBZmPw9uSrGuTDWXgUsyT3b8tzvpPBiqU8&e="><span style="color:#002060;text-decoration:none">https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__docs.google.com_document_d_1-5FRtCroFrgWT3rfJVkC-5FPfqjogSRcWEirovJzA1cWqV8_edit&d=DwIFaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=1A9IIOkJia11FXDmJ1R4Jn7wGT4ExHiVuBF89mvNt_Q&m=m1o1e6rdpQtF1x7EVC2xR9pYzWbLnhZ2oaJYfhgCGV4&s=bfUdX6akSrBZmPw9uSrGuTDWXgUsyT3b8tzvpPBiqU8&e=</span></a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Tatiana Tropina:Can I repluy Rafik?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Tatiana Tropina:please?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Tatiana Tropina:please <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Tatiana Tropina:Immediate response - but okay <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Tatiana Tropina:will reply here. The arguments they put forward is theat it's not a usual PDPD so we have to be mindful, flexible and whatever. We should use the same argument when we are drafting consensus
rules to compensate the imbalance <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Elsa Saade:It's great language<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Zhou Heng:Pardon for I am new to this topic<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Elsa Saade:It's not a usual PDP and at this point, our group is the one who has always advocated for privacy and it only makes sense that we take part on an equal footing.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Zhou Heng:I am pretty interesting in involving the EPDP discussion, I guess basically we are trying to fight for more membership for NCSG?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Milton Mueller:I lost sound<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Maryam Bakoshi:All, please mute your mic when you are not speaking. Thank you!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Maryam Bakoshi:@Milton, please could you try re-entering the room?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Milton Mueller:I am in the room<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Maryam Bakoshi:Is the sound back now?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Milton Mueller:yes<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Maryam Bakoshi:Ok thank you for confirming<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Zhou Heng:May anyone send the full text of the EPDP team comments table.pdf or any other meeting materials?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Stephanie Perrin:I would just like to point out that I spent quite a bit of time going over the whole document on THursday Morning, sent it in.....and put a strong comment on the numbers. Two council members
(atleast) immediately read it. THey caught the issue. Do not understand why the rest have ignored it. So we are being played here. I think we cannot compromise on this.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Zhou Heng:Sorry for that happens<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Farzaneh Badii:yes . we need super majority. we can stop it<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Stephanie Perrin:We just completed a ridiculous process on RDS where compromise became doodle polls....where a zillion IP lawyers completed the poll. WE never did figure out how to play that one....we got
all members to do the poll some weeks, they set that poll aside as unrepresentative.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Ayden Férdeline:yes, we use supermajority to stop this - we MUST!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Stephanie Perrin:So what I am saying is we might as well get disruptive right now, or be steamrolled later.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Tatiana Tropina:Ayden, I agree and I am ready to. I was asking yesterday if we are going to use it and if we are ready for consequences <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Ayden Férdeline:those polls were ONLY unrepresentative when the NCSG was a majority of the respondents... if the IPC was 80% of the votes, we accepted the results...<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Tatiana Tropina:We can hear you MM<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Stephanie Perrin:Exactly Ayden. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Tatiana Tropina:But I am a bit concerned and I think we can pull both ways - language (we need it anyway for good) and representation. I don't understand why "either or"<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Stephanie Perrin:We also need to make the point that if this whole thing is going to be yet another stitchup, we will find other options to make our point.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Tatiana Tropina:but I am ready to go as far as necessary. 9 CSG vs 9 all others is unacceptable <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Farzaneh Badii:of house<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Stephanie Perrin:I agree with Tat, we need to fix language also<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Farzaneh Badii:NCSG can stop it <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Tatiana Tropina:Yes council for the charter approval <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Ayden Férdeline:No, we can't.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Ayden Férdeline:We need support from both houses<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Farzaneh Badii:it's not super majority of each house?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Poncelet Ileleji:The Language issue has to be sorted<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Ayden Férdeline:agree with Milton. this is not a nuclear option, it is a matter of fairness<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Stephanie Perrin:FOrget justice arguments, they are not even bothering to read our posts.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Milton Mueller:sorry but "nuclear option" means you are blowing up something - all we are saying is that the charter is wrong<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Milton Mueller:and will not be passed<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Milton Mueller:exactly, TT<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Stephanie Perrin:Which is why I keep bringing up the issue of the GNSO review, if we let this distribution of seats pass, get ready for restructuring.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Milton Mueller:and if you do block the charter be prepared for them to think of some way to undermine that vote<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Stephanie Perrin:I have heard several GNSO councillors talking about reducing participant funding for budget reasons. They know this would hit us the hardest<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Milton Mueller:it's very simple, isn't it? <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Elsa Saade:I'd suggest we send our final language and insinuate our strong disagreement with the charter if our changes are not taken into consideration.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Ayden Férdeline:@Stephanie - is that just for this EPDP, or for the Council in general?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Tatiana Tropina:Milton I believe we will get all the shit thrown on the fan once we threaten to do this or do this. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Farzaneh Badii:well other councilors are not here but yes we must stop the charter if it's not balance representation <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Elsa Saade:if the changes are not made in time, then the vote should definitely be opposing<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Stephanie Perrin:no ICANN in general....<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Milton Mueller:of course, Tatiana, that's why you have to be clear and firm. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Tatiana Tropina:That was my main question - are we going to vote against. It seems that I got my answer, am happy about it. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Tatiana Tropina:the way they treat us in negotiation of this charter is unacceptable. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Stephanie Perrin:I will certainly vote against it.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Ayden Férdeline:i could not care less how they react<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Milton Mueller::-)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Ayden Férdeline:it is very disrespectful to us<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Elsa Saade:how could they react rly? What's the worst that could happen?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Ayden Férdeline:accuse us of being political... as if they aren't in proposing this unacceptable language<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Tatiana Tropina:Elsa, what could happen? Nothing really except that the netire community will accuse noncommercials in being disruptive, but I don't care <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Stephanie Perrin:NOt sure what the worst would be Elsa, but there is a long history of ignoring us and working around us. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Tatiana Tropina:we have to be clear that we are going to vote against. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Stephanie Perrin:This latest caper deserves an article in Domain Incite...<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Ayden Férdeline:yes, deferred by 2 days, from 17 July to 19 July<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Tatiana Tropina:and if they decide they are not ready for vote - fine, bring it back and negotiate with us as equals. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Milton Mueller:if you can get him (DI) to do it, yes<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Tatiana Tropina:I can't attend the call and they don't even allow me to have proxy, but Rafik can tell he is aware of my voting preferences. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Elsa Saade:well all those sound ok to me. They should respect all groups in this process. And I saw how many times we've sent emails and got ignored. If sounding our NO is what it takes for them to listen,
then definitely let's do it<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Stephanie Perrin:Disruptive? we need to wrap ourselves in the argument that we are the ones who have throughout history of ICANN fought foruser rights, and we are being sidelined while the commercial players
are lining up their plans to consolidate.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Milton Mueller:who is "the host"?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Tatiana Tropina:Elsa, they ignored Ayden's email until we joined the forces and then they accused we never raised objection <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Elsa Saade:Exactly stephanie<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Tatiana Tropina:Milton, the host is the god probably as I don't see the real host leaving :-)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Elsa Saade:yes I saw that.. It's quite disrespectful T.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Milton Mueller:Tell them it is disruptive to change the rules of representation<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Farzaneh Badii:there wwere objections during the meeting on 27 June as well <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Farzaneh Badii:by Tatiana and Ayden <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Tatiana Tropina:There were objections every meeting. Rubens, in all fairness replied on the thread that we raised them so accusing us of not raising them is not fair <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Ayden Férdeline:and i objected on the list on 3 seperates dates<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Elsa Saade:Yes Rafik, GAC and ALAC <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Elsa Saade:Could you tell us more about that?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Tatiana Tropina:they just live in a different reality it seems. First get the math wrong, then twist all this upside down <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Stephanie Perrin:Good for Rubens, he read my lengthy comment right away in the meeting.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Elsa Saade:I'm starting to doubt it was even a math issue<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Rafik:@tatiana there is no vote in DT, so indeed no need for proxy<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Stephanie Perrin:Exactly Milton.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Krishna Seeburn:+1 MM<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Stephanie Perrin:they may not be allies, we cannot count on them<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Tatiana Tropina:I agree with MM that it's a part of a bigger problem, it's like walking in minefield the rules are bing adjusted and bent in whatever preferences and not really in our advantage <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Krishna Seeburn:they have their own agenda<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Stephanie Perrin:Hello, gnso restructuring. going to keep repeating this over and over, pay attention folks<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Milton Mueller:Steph - it's not the issue at this time<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Stephanie Perrin:the CCNSO did not bother to participate in the RDS review team...<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Elsa Saade:Could be something we need to prepare for on the long run<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Krishna Seeburn:it looks like the previous WG that was doomed....<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Stephanie Perrin:Not now Milton, coming soon to a battlefield near you...<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Milton Mueller:why should they Elsa? they are not affected byb it <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Elsa Saade:yes definitely! I agree with you Milton! <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Zhou Heng:@Milton, I have read the full text of Interim Regulation for WHOIS. The article 4.4 of interim regulation is listed for the goal and mission of WHOIS. I guess some missions of WHOIS is related to
SSAC. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Milton Mueller::D<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Milton Mueller:Yes, Zhou SSAC has a lot of legitimate things to say about Whois, but they are Advisory Committee not policy makers<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Elsa Saade:+1 Tanya!!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Zhou Heng:So, maybe you are suggesting they better to become observers?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Milton Mueller:yes<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Elsa Saade:All ACs should be observers, but not weigh in, in the voting. They're not policy makers, as Milton said.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Tatiana Tropina:no, participants <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Elsa Saade:Only makes sense<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Tatiana Tropina:members (GNSO), participants (others), obersvers <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Milton Mueller:participants, yes. SSAC should have a lot of constructive things to say. But they do not count in the consensus<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Krishna Seeburn:well that is the usual process<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Stephanie Perrin:There is more than voting, remember, there is the ability to speak. They can run the clock out vy speaking all the time if they are participants.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Tatiana Tropina:I definitely have it on the records but eyes rolls in response were not recorded :-)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Zhou Heng:I guess we share the same understanding here, thanks!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Milton Mueller:so can we Stephanie<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Krishna Seeburn:@Stephanie very true<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Stephanie Perrin:Then the voting partners who are trying to minimize us do not have to do the dirty work, just shrug and move on. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Stephanie Perrin:Sets the team up for a real donnybrook like we had on the rDS<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Krishna Seeburn:exactly stephanie...very true<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Stephanie Perrin:Milton, you are talking to the noisiest person here....at least chuck let me speak all the time. Not sure new chair will....<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Ayden Férdeline:let them speak, but perhaps reps from SO/ACs should be given a 2 minute timer, max 1 x 2 minute intervention per call...<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Elsa Saade:Stephanie, you also mentioned the need for RDS evaluation during Panama.. This should definitely be taken into consideration as we go.. could prove our points easily<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Tatiana Tropina:am very talkative today hehehehehe<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Milton Mueller:I still find it hard to believe that the registrars won't back us on this<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Zhou Heng:@ rafik, would you mind to read the email?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Stephanie Perrin:Elsa I think it would be useful. As it is, we are going to have to fish in the records for our evidencel<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Elsa Saade:seems like it<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Stephanie Perrin:Milton like I keep saying, they are happy to rag the puck this time and not get a new policy. They might be doing this whole caper to waste a month (just speculating)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Stephanie Perrin:Their motivations are not pure.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Elsa Saade:maybe in our statement we could mention this? The fact that we are speculating that the other house is dragging the process indirectly, knowing that NCSG would advocate for equal footing on the
EPDP as mentioned in Panama<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Elsa Saade:It could get some of the spotlight to them<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> James Njoeoge Gitau:Hello everyone! Stepping out for a while!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Stephanie Perrin:well it would certainly be a feature of a domain incite article Elsa. Now, there will be allegations of acting in bad faith as a councillor...but I am out in October anyway, feel somewhat
liberated<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Elsa Saade:hahaha<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Farzaneh Badii:no Stephanie they want to start so that they get people off their back and then delay the process <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Krishna Seeburn:Delaying the process and perhaps kill it for some time is nothing new and it may be one of the agenda items.....doesn't astound me at all<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Stephanie Perrin:Yes there are a few stock tricks here Kris....<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Krishna Seeburn:well ponted stephanie<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Stephanie Perrin:it is most likely being discussed in the registrars GDPR group that we were kicked out of in the meeting...<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Stephanie Perrin:Some of the registrars have been saying thick is dead<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Stephanie Perrin:but you might have noticed that this is not one of the "impacted policies" in my mind itis...<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Ayden Férdeline:i like that language Farzi, we should make that edit...<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Krishna Seeburn:On ASO side --the RIRs have already implemented RDAP more or less and in RIPE i know for sure they have already setup there end. Others RIRs are going for it as another layered protocol. Until
all RIRs are aligned. But of course the ccNSO side --registry/registrars ..re and should be also concerned.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Farzaneh Badii:Milton is trying to talk I think Rafik<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Tatiana Tropina:I got this email as well that as it's not a council meeting - we can't warrant a proxy <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Tatiana Tropina:I would like to appoint MM as an alternate <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Milton Mueller:an alternate is not a proxy. nothing to do with voting, just speaking<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Tatiana Tropina:for the 5th of July. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Farzaneh Badii:so an alternate <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Tatiana Tropina:Can we have my alternate for one day?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Ayden Férdeline:we are short on Thursday - no Tatiana, no Arsene, no Martin<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Tatiana Tropina:Let me reply to her email <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Tatiana Tropina:YES I hope so <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Tatiana Tropina:let's do it <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Tatiana Tropina:I want to have MM as my alternate <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Milton Mueller:I nominate you<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Stephanie Perrin:Arsene is not here, better make sure you have a proxy for him as well<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Milton Mueller:I could do it but have a 10 am shooting sessions <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Tatiana Tropina:they say we can't have proxy <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Ayden Férdeline:we have 3 apologies from the NCSG for Thursday - we can take all of you!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Milton Mueller:video shooting not guns<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Farzaneh Badii:oh Milton the super star<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Tatiana Tropina:MM, it's 12 UTC<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Farzaneh Badii:gun shooting is more fun <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Milton Mueller:ah, good Ayden<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Tatiana Tropina:are you shooting early morning?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Farzaneh Badii:oh no I can't believe I sent that messaage on chat ...<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Tatiana Tropina:like what, morning shooting workout?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Milton Mueller:12 utC = 8 am here, if the meeting goes 2 hours I will have a problem<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Tatiana Tropina:meeting is 1,5 hours. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Milton Mueller:recording online course<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Tatiana Tropina:please be my alternate. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Milton Mueller:ok<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Stephanie Perrin:What I dont understand is why they are sayiing we dont get proxies. HOw is this process going to run?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Farzaneh Badii:3 council members cant aattend? <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Tatiana Tropina:good we have an alternate for me. So I agree to appoint an alternate on the 5th of July for 1 day because of my travels and kindly ask to do so <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Farzaneh Badii:because they wont vote <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Tatiana Tropina:They picked up this time and apologiesed at the working session -- it's on the record. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Milton Mueller:Tatiana: ask for alternate first, before you tell them it's me ;-)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Farzaneh Badii:I can just appoint you Milton <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Milton Mueller:I suspect staff and leadership will deny Alternate <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Stephanie Perrin:ok so we had better watch the vote call on the charter very carefully indeed. WHo is going to submit that motion?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Milton Mueller:lets put it this way: who WILL be there from NCSG?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Farzaneh Badii:you are hereby appointed to the distinguished position of Tatiana alternate<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Tatiana Tropina:No i think the NCSG chair can just tell them we appoint an alternate for 1 day because the time pikced means that not all the councillors can attend and we are disadvantaged. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Milton Mueller:ok good<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Ayden Férdeline:and that is true, by the Council Chair's own admission, she chose the date where many people were unavailable<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Stephanie Perrin:Staff objected right off the bat to my extensive comments, wanted a summary. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Ayden Férdeline:^ that's absurd @Stephanie<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Tatiana Tropina:they said they picked up "not the time indicated by the most participants in the doodle poll but other time" how nice is that <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Farzaneh Badii:hahaha<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Farzaneh Badii:that's a joke <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Tatiana Tropina:I am relived now, at least we can try to have an alternate. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Ayden Férdeline:meanwhile @Stephanie they just copy and paste in comments from Keith!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Stephanie Perrin:exactly. Make me do a summary. They are going to get the summary all right, but today.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Tatiana Tropina:ah that.... :-)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Ayden Férdeline:they chose the date when the IPC had 100% availability and we had limited availability<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Tatiana Tropina:thanks for clarification... That was the only time when am on the plane ... and can use only telepathy for communication (no smoke signals) <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Farzaneh Badii:Heather is IPC :)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Farzaneh Badii:hahaha<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Ayden Férdeline:come on Rafik.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Stephanie Perrin:I think we should start being very clandestine about our agendas, dont make it easy to exclude it by indicating travel, funeral, and day job demands<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Ayden Férdeline:who is chairing this call if not Heather? i thought she said she was not available - but would rearrange things<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Tatiana Tropina:LOL am sorry <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Elsa Saade:good luck all!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Ayden Férdeline:you or Donna?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Stephanie Perrin:Thanks Elsa!!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Tatiana Tropina:thanks Rafik and all - speak soon <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Ayden Férdeline:because if you, we have just Steph and I<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Farzaneh Badii:bye<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Zhou Heng:bye<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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