<div><div><div><div dir="auto">We cannot comment on the choice of venue. I think we have done that on our earlier comment on incremental changes. But there is a visa section in the travel document which we can comment on. For example make constructive and doable suggestions such as providing the invitation letters and sorting out hotel and flight for visa seekers as a priority. I will write a paragraph to that effect if it's not there already. I apologize for the late comments but i will draft a paragraph tht can address some of the issues if they have not been addressed yet. The comment can fit squarely within a couple of bullet points such as </div><ul style="box-sizing:border-box;padding:0px;line-height:1.4rem;margin:0px 0px 1.25rem 20px;color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:helvetica,arial,sans-serif"><li style="box-sizing:border-box;height:inherit;margin:0px 0px 15px 20px;line-height:1.4rem">Scope of the <abbr title="Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers" style="box-sizing:border-box;unicode-bidi:bidi-override;direction:ltr;border-bottom-width:1px;border-bottom-style:dotted;border-bottom-color:rgb(153,153,153)">ICANN</abbr> Travel Support function</li><li style="box-sizing:border-box;height:inherit;margin:0px 0px 15px 20px;line-height:1.4rem">Communication, financial, and other travel responsibilities of supported travelers</li></ul><br class="m_-7766315290839783618Apple-interchange-newline" style="font-family:-webkit-standard"></div></div></div><div><div><div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr">OnSun, Jul 1, 2018 at 2:57 PM Kris Seeburn <<a href="mailto:seeburn.k@gmail.com" target="_blank">seeburn.k@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word;line-break:after-white-space">I agree with the thought and i would tend to say it has sense to it.</div><div style="word-wrap:break-word;line-break:after-white-space"><br><div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div>On Jul 1, 2018, at 22:49, Stephanie Perrin <<a href="mailto:stephanie.perrin@MAIL.UTORONTO.CA" target="_blank">stephanie.perrin@MAIL.UTORONTO.CA</a>> wrote:</div><br class="m_-7766315290839783618m_6381323972930880337m_6351796046780387469Apple-interchange-newline"><div>
<div text="#000000" bgcolor="#FFFFFF"><p><font size="+1"><font face="Lucida Grande">while I agree with
Ayden that the comments about visa problems and site choice
will not likely appear in the summary, we have to consider the
other benefits of including a short statement (with facts and
illustrative examples if possible). More people read comments
than letters I think, so the oftener we deliver our message
the better. I don't think this is that much out of scope, as
long as we keep it tight as Caleb suggests, I think we should
go for it.</font></font></p><p><font size="+1"><font face="Lucida Grande">Stephanie Perrin</font></font><br>
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<div class="m_-7766315290839783618m_6381323972930880337m_6351796046780387469moz-cite-prefix">On 2018-07-01 14:23, Ayden Férdeline
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<div>Thanks for the edits, Caleb-<br>
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<div>I will pass the suggestion on to the Policy Committee for its
consideration, though I do think it is better to write a letter
on this particular issue, as it allows us to address it to the
correct recipient. When ICANN org analyses the comments received
on this issue, they fill in their template around the questions
they have asked, and statements that do not relate to their
specific questions are not typically included.<br>
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<div>Best wishes,<br>
</div>
<div><br>
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<div>Ayden <br>
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<div> On 1 July 2018 8:11 PM, caleb olumuyiwa
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<div>Hello Ayden,<br>
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<div>How about "The Elevator Pitch" idea as taught by Jim
Trengrove at the last NCUC public comment course. It
simply means that we are to use every available
opportunity to communicate well and pitch your ideas as
we might never have such opportunities again.<br>
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<div><span class="m_-7766315290839783618m_6381323972930880337m_6351796046780387469highlight" style="background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">I still
think there is an open opportunity for us to give our
feedback regarding the visa services.</span><br>
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<div>Don't visa problem is a travel related issues. While i
have made some observations and comments on the document
you might want to revert as they remain suggestions.<br>
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<div><br>
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<div>Regards<br>
</div>
<div><br>
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<div>Caleb<br>
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<div dir="ltr">On Sun, Jul 1, 2018 at 6:34 PM Ayden Férdeline
<<a href="mailto:icann@ferdeline.com" target="_blank">icann@ferdeline.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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<div>Hi,<br>
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<div>I’m not sure what was covered in the comment writing
course earlier this year, but in my opinion an effective
comment is one which addresses the questions being asked.
I do not think it is appropriate to include issues that
are not a part of the proposed guidelines which we are
being asked to comment on. <br>
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<div><br>
</div>
<div>If there are issues that fall outside the scope of a
public comment proceeding, I would suggest these can be
addressed separately by writing a letter to ICANN org. <br>
</div>
<div><br>
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<div>Just my opinion, of course,<br>
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<div>Ayden<br>
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<div>On Sun, Jul 1, 2018 at 19:17, Bruna Martins dos
Santos <<a href="mailto:bruna.mrtns@GMAIL.COM" target="_blank">bruna.mrtns@GMAIL.COM</a>>
wrote:<br>
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<div>Hey Ayden, <br>
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<div><br>
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<div>While I agree that venue selection does not fall
perfectly in this comment's scope, I think there's
space for us to touch upon our feedback regarding
the visa services ICANN has been offering lately.
Newland Chase staff at times is unable to offer any
input in the visa processes within the timeframe or
even directs us to governments websites - what is
the point of ICANN org hiring a company to bridge
community travellers and embassies with regards to
visa processes if the company will not do any
facilitation, whatsoever. <br>
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</div>
<div>Maybe there's space to provide feedback on this
sense ? That the company hired to help community
with visas is often unable to provide the necessary
information and do the mediation in the available
time. <br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Either way, thanks for the comment you guys! <br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Cheers, <br>
</div>
<div>Bruna <br>
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<div>2018-07-01 14:02 GMT-03:00 Ayden Férdeline <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:icann@ferdeline.com" target="_blank">icann@ferdeline.com</a>></span>:
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<div>Hi,<br>
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<div><br>
</div>
<div>The consultation is narrow in scope and in
our comment we should only address those issues
which fall within the purview of the travel
support guidelines (this does not include the
choice of meeting location). <br>
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<div><br>
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<div>Best,<br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Ayden<br>
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<div>On Sun, Jul 1, 2018 at 18:51, dorothy
g <<a href="mailto:dgdorothydg@GMAIL.COM" target="_blank">dgdorothydg@GMAIL.COM</a>>
wrote:<br>
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<div>I have been through the document. I
feel we can reduce the number of
words. I also feel it would be useful
to start with some principles. e.g
effective participation in meeting;
avoiding unnecessary stress etc. We
should call for consistency in
administrative procedures while
acknowledging special circumstances
linked to developing countries. <br>
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<div>Could we not insert some explicit
language on the visa issue we were
recently discussing? Something that
links it to the choice of host?<br>
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<div>best<br>
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<div>On Sun, Jul 1, 2018 at 3:47 PM,
Arsène Tungali <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:arsenebaguma@gmail.com" target="_blank">arsenebaguma@gmail.com</a>></span>
wrote: <br>
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<div>Hi, <br>
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<div> <br>
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<div>Thanks for drafting this
comment, Ayden. I have read it and
i am glad <br>
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<div>it covers many of the ocncerns
i too have on the travel
guidelines. I <br>
</div>
<div>made one or two comments
though. <br>
</div>
<div> <br>
</div>
<div>I hope this cna be approved
soon and be sent within time. <br>
</div>
<div> <br>
</div>
<div>Regards, <br>
</div>
<div>Arsene <br>
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<div>2018-07-01 17:07 UTC+02:00,
Ayden Férdeline <<a href="mailto:icann@ferdeline.com" target="_blank">icann@ferdeline.com</a>>:
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<div> <span>> Dear all,<br>
><br>
> ICANN org is currently
requesting feedback on its
proposed updates to the<br>
> Community Travel Support
Guidelines. These guidelines
clarify the<br>
> responsibilities of
supported travellers and the
duty of care that ICANN org<br>
> has to us. [The comment
documents are<br>
</span>> here.](<a rel="noreferrer" href="https://www.icann.org/public-comments/travel-support-guidelines-2018-05-30-en" target="_blank">https://www.icann.org/public-comments/travel-support-guidelines-2018-05-30-en</a>)
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<div> <span>><br>
> I have prepared a response
on behalf of the NCSG. You can
find it here:<br>
> <a rel="noreferrer" href="https://docs.google.com/document/d/1FEWgze1lVbMlB5if0EnfZE2BxGreHoQ6SKaj6ya7sZY/edit?usp=sharing" target="_blank">https://docs.google.com/document/d/1FEWgze1lVbMlB5if0EnfZE2BxGreHoQ6SKaj6ya7sZY/edit?usp=sharing</a><br>
><br>
> Please consider reviewing
the proposed comment and sharing
feedback either<br>
> in the Google Doc itself or
on this mailing list. The
comment window closes<br>
> on 16 July, so please
provide your inputs before 12
July so that the NCSG<br>
> Policy Committee has time
to review them and to finalise
the text. We will<br>
> share the final text on
this list prior to submission.<br>
><br>
> Best wishes,<br>
><br>
> Ayden Férdeline<br>
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