<div dir="ltr"><div><div>Dear All,<br><br>Seconded also Dorothy proposition.<br><br></div>Kind Regards<br><br><br></div>Poncelet<br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 25 June 2018 at 16:59, Onica Makwakwa <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:000003e73cab5e78-dmarc-request@listserv.syr.edu" target="_blank">000003e73cab5e78-dmarc-request@listserv.syr.edu</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="font-size:10pt;font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;color:black"><div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:10pt;color:black">Greetings,</div><div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:10pt;color:black"><br></div><div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:10pt;color:black">I second that suggestion from Dorothy as I suspect this will be a greater challenge for Barcelona (based on past experience dealing with their embassies in this region). Beyond just escalating this, we need to have a conversation on how ease of visa issuance should be a big part when considering meeting locations. </div><div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:10pt;color:black"><br></div><div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:10pt;color:black">Onica</div><div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:10pt;color:black"><br></div><div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:10pt;color:black">Onica N. Makwakwa</div><div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:10pt;color:black"><br></div><div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:10pt;color:black"><br><br>-----Original Message-----<br>From: dorothy g <<a href="mailto:dgdorothydg@GMAIL.COM" target="_blank">dgdorothydg@GMAIL.COM</a>><br>To: NCSG-DISCUSS <<a href="mailto:NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU" target="_blank">NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU</a><wbr>><br>Sent: Mon, Jun 25, 2018 6:50 pm<br>Subject: Re: Elsa Saade as temp alternate to Arsene on GNSO Council<br><br></div>
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<div class="m_5333077302991038301aolReplacedBody"><div dir="ltr">Is it possible for us to document all those who could not attend due to visa issues and escalate this concern? We need Africans to be at the table.<div><br></div><div>best</div></div><div class="m_5333077302991038301aolmail_gmail_extra"><br><div class="m_5333077302991038301aolmail_gmail_quote">On Mon, Jun 25, 2018 at 4:29 PM, Adeel Sadiq <span dir="ltr"><<a rel="noopener noreferrer" href="mailto:11beeasadiq@seecs.edu.pk" target="_blank">11beeasadiq@seecs.edu.pk</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="m_5333077302991038301aolmail_gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">One part of the bigger picture is, most of the ICANN staff are from developed countries who don't face strict visa issues like people from developing countries do. I have been denied visa to attend a similar conferences (not ICANN though) more than once. I even tried to raise the same issue in Public Forum at Copenhagen, but was politically turned down with almost a null response by the so-called 'meeting team'. You never realize the true measure of a problem unless it is at your personal doorstep.<div><br></div><div>Regards</div><span class="m_5333077302991038301aolmail_HOEnZb"><span color="#888888" style="color:#888888"><div><br></div><div>Adeel</div></span></span></div><div class="m_5333077302991038301aolmail_HOEnZb"><div class="m_5333077302991038301aolmail_h5"><div class="m_5333077302991038301aolmail_gmail_extra"><br><div class="m_5333077302991038301aolmail_gmail_quote">On Mon, Jun 25, 2018 at 9:12 PM, dorothy g <span dir="ltr"><<a rel="noopener noreferrer" href="mailto:dgdorothydg@gmail.com" target="_blank">dgdorothydg@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="m_5333077302991038301aolmail_gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">This is an extremely important point Arsene. There is no justification for choosing such a location without making special arrangements.<div>Glad at least you can listen in.</div></div><div class="m_5333077302991038301aolmail_gmail_extra"><br><div class="m_5333077302991038301aolmail_gmail_quote">On Mon, Jun 25, 2018 at 3:29 PM, Arsène Tungali <span dir="ltr"><<a rel="noopener noreferrer" href="mailto:arsenebaguma@gmail.com" target="_blank">arsenebaguma@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="m_5333077302991038301aolmail_gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto">Thanks Elsa, everyone!<div><div><br></div><div>It is unfortunate that the gov of Panama could not grant visa on arrival while they are aware that their visa process is very complicated.</div><div><br></div><div>Think: they only have two consulates in the whole African continent!!!</div><div><br></div><div>I hope ICANN Org will be able to negociate things like these beforehand when they select host countries.</div><div><br></div><div>Thanks Elsa for willing to help and thanks Farzaneh and the EC for working out this very quickly!<br><br><div id="m_5333077302991038301aolmail_m_-9187440693243303663m_-6235401308472346937m_-6587834271715235194AppleMailSignature"><div>-----------------</div><div>Arsène Tungali,</div><div><a rel="noopener noreferrer" href="http://about.me/ArseneTungali" target="_blank">about.me/ArseneTungali</a></div><div>+243 993810967</div><div>GPG: 523644A0</div><div>Goma, Democratic Republic of Congo</div><div><br></div>Sent from my iPhone (excuse typos)</div><div><div class="m_5333077302991038301aolmail_m_-9187440693243303663m_-6235401308472346937h5"><div><br>On Jun 25, 2018, at 5:11 PM, Elsa S <<a rel="noopener noreferrer" href="mailto:elsa.saade@GMAIL.COM" target="_blank">elsa.saade@GMAIL.COM</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote><div><div dir="ltr"><div class="m_5333077302991038301aolmail_gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif;font-size:small">It really saddens me that some of us haven't been able to make it because of Visa issues. But happy to help and make myself available anytime!</div><div class="m_5333077302991038301aolmail_gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif;font-size:small"><br></div><div class="m_5333077302991038301aolmail_gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif;font-size:small">Best,</div><div class="m_5333077302991038301aolmail_gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif;font-size:small"><br></div><div class="m_5333077302991038301aolmail_gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif;font-size:small">Elsa</div><div class="m_5333077302991038301aolmail_gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif;font-size:small">--</div></div><div class="m_5333077302991038301aolmail_gmail_extra"><br><div class="m_5333077302991038301aolmail_gmail_quote">On Mon, Jun 25, 2018 at 9:31 AM, dorothy g <span dir="ltr"><<a rel="noopener noreferrer" href="mailto:dgdorothydg@gmail.com" target="_blank">dgdorothydg@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="m_5333077302991038301aolmail_gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">So I guess this is a last minute thing given the visa issue. Thank you Elsa for stepping in. When will this discrimination against Africans stop! Arsene glad you can listen in and hopefully next time you will not encounter this problem.<div><br></div><div>best</div></div><div class="m_5333077302991038301aolmail_m_-9187440693243303663m_-6235401308472346937m_-6587834271715235194HOEnZb"><div class="m_5333077302991038301aolmail_m_-9187440693243303663m_-6235401308472346937m_-6587834271715235194h5"><div class="m_5333077302991038301aolmail_gmail_extra"><br><div class="m_5333077302991038301aolmail_gmail_quote">On Mon, Jun 25, 2018 at 1:25 PM, farzaneh badii <span dir="ltr"><<a rel="noopener noreferrer" href="mailto:farzaneh.badii@gmail.com" target="_blank">farzaneh.badii@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="m_5333077302991038301aolmail_gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="m_5333077302991038301aolmail_gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">She still takes on some of my tasks. She was not going to replace me. But because we found out last minute that Arsene cannot make it, thought it's better to have an alternate for Arsene because this is an important meeting. </div><span class="m_5333077302991038301aolmail_m_-9187440693243303663m_-6235401308472346937m_-6587834271715235194m_593327391836024645HOEnZb"><span color="#888888" style="color:#888888"><div class="m_5333077302991038301aolmail_gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div><div dir="ltr" class="m_5333077302991038301aolmail_m_-9187440693243303663m_-6235401308472346937m_-6587834271715235194m_593327391836024645m_-6964948663974171858gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><span face="verdana, sans-serif" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Farzaneh </span></div></div></div></div><br></span></span></div><div class="m_5333077302991038301aolmail_m_-9187440693243303663m_-6235401308472346937m_-6587834271715235194m_593327391836024645HOEnZb"><div class="m_5333077302991038301aolmail_m_-9187440693243303663m_-6235401308472346937m_-6587834271715235194m_593327391836024645h5"><br><div class="m_5333077302991038301aolmail_gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr">On Mon, Jun 25, 2018 at 8:23 AM Farell FOLLY <<a rel="noopener noreferrer" href="mailto:farell@benin2point0.org" target="_blank">farell@benin2point0.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="m_5333077302991038301aolmail_gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word;line-break:after-white-space">Hello Mrs Chair,<div><br></div><div>Thanks for the info, but I thought Elsa was going to replace you instead? 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<div><br><blockquote><div>On 24 Jun 2018, at 07:49, farzaneh badii <<a rel="noopener noreferrer" href="mailto:farzaneh.badii@gmail.com" target="_blank">farzaneh.badii@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="m_5333077302991038301aolmail_m_-9187440693243303663m_-6235401308472346937m_-6587834271715235194m_593327391836024645m_-6964948663974171858m_-3062078520641308535Apple-interchange-newline"><div><div dir="ltr"><div class="m_5333077302991038301aolmail_gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Dear all,</div><div class="m_5333077302991038301aolmail_gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="m_5333077302991038301aolmail_gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Unfortunately, Arsene cannot make it to Panama. Arsene will be participating remotely in the Council meetings but we decided that for an in-person presence, Elsa Saade can be his temp alternate.</div><div class="m_5333077302991038301aolmail_gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="m_5333077302991038301aolmail_gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">This was a last minute decision which we had to take because we were still hopeful that Arsene could make it. </div><div class="m_5333077302991038301aolmail_gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="m_5333077302991038301aolmail_gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Will see you and Arsene remotely in virtual meeting rooms.</div><div class="m_5333077302991038301aolmail_gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="m_5333077302991038301aolmail_gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Best </div><div class="m_5333077302991038301aolmail_gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="m_5333077302991038301aolmail_gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="m_5333077302991038301aolmail_gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div><div dir="ltr" class="m_5333077302991038301aolmail_m_-9187440693243303663m_-6235401308472346937m_-6587834271715235194m_593327391836024645m_-6964948663974171858m_-3062078520641308535gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><span face="verdana, sans-serif" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Farzaneh </span></div></div></div></div></div>
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