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<p><font size="+1"><font face="Lucida Grande">It is indeed a very
important issue. Farzi has raised it in the past,
unfortunately we met with the Board this morning and did not
raise it but we should gather that list and send it forward,
we were invited to reach out to them and do followup. Who do
we have that had visa problems? <br>
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<p><font size="+1"><font face="Lucida Grande">Stephanie Perrin<br>
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<div dir="ltr">yes, it may have not been attended to in the past,
but I agree we put it in the agenda for instance, NCSG-CEO-Board
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<div dir="ltr">On Mon, Jun 25, 2018 at 12:28 PM dorothy g <<a
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<div dir="ltr">When I say escalate I mean beyond
conversation. Every bid should explain by region how they
will facilitate visas and smooth entry. If they cannot
guarantee equal access then they should not be considered.
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Jun 25, 2018 at 4:59 PM,
Onica Makwakwa <span dir="ltr"><<a
href="mailto:nmakwakwa@aol.com" target="_blank"
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<div
style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:10pt;color:black">I
second that suggestion from Dorothy as I suspect
this will be a greater challenge for Barcelona
(based on past experience dealing with their
embassies in this region). Beyond just escalating
this, we need to have a conversation on how ease of
visa issuance should be a big part when considering
meeting locations. </div>
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<div
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<div
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N. Makwakwa</div>
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-----Original Message-----<br>
From: dorothy g <<a
href="mailto:dgdorothydg@GMAIL.COM"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">dgdorothydg@GMAIL.COM</a>><br>
To: NCSG-DISCUSS <<a
href="mailto:NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU</a>><br>
Sent: Mon, Jun 25, 2018 6:50 pm<br>
Subject: Re: Elsa Saade as temp alternate to
Arsene on GNSO Council<br>
<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Is it possible for us to
document all those who could not attend due
to visa issues and escalate this concern? We
need Africans to be at the table.
<div><br>
</div>
<div>best</div>
</div>
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<div
class="m_-3288457693396400919m_-8005759433358939332aolmail_gmail_quote">On
Mon, Jun 25, 2018 at 4:29 PM, Adeel Sadiq
<span dir="ltr"><<a rel="noopener
noreferrer"
href="mailto:11beeasadiq@seecs.edu.pk"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">11beeasadiq@seecs.edu.pk</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
<blockquote
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style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px
#ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div dir="ltr">One part of the bigger
picture is, most of the ICANN staff
are from developed countries who don't
face strict visa issues like people
from developing countries do. I have
been denied visa to attend a similar
conferences (not ICANN though) more
than once. I even tried to raise the
same issue in Public Forum at
Copenhagen, but was politically turned
down with almost a null response by
the so-called 'meeting team'. You
never realize the true measure of a
problem unless it is at your personal
doorstep.
<div><br>
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<div>Regards</div>
<span
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<div>Adeel</div>
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<div
class="m_-3288457693396400919m_-8005759433358939332aolmail_gmail_quote">On
Mon, Jun 25, 2018 at 9:12 PM,
dorothy g <span dir="ltr"><<a
rel="noopener noreferrer"
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target="_blank"
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wrote:<br>
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solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div dir="ltr">This is an
extremely important point
Arsene. There is no
justification for choosing
such a location without
making special arrangements.
<div>Glad at least you can
listen in.</div>
</div>
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<div
class="m_-3288457693396400919m_-8005759433358939332aolmail_gmail_quote">On
Mon, Jun 25, 2018 at 3:29
PM, Arsène Tungali <span
dir="ltr"><<a
rel="noopener
noreferrer"
href="mailto:arsenebaguma@gmail.com"
target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">arsenebaguma@gmail.com</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
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<div dir="auto">Thanks
Elsa, everyone!
<div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>It is
unfortunate that
the gov of Panama
could not grant
visa on arrival
while they are
aware that their
visa process is
very complicated.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Think: they
only have two
consulates in the
whole African
continent!!!</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>I hope ICANN
Org will be able
to negociate
things like these
beforehand when
they select host
countries.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Thanks Elsa for
willing to help
and thanks
Farzaneh and the
EC for working out
this very quickly!<br>
<br>
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<div>-----------------</div>
<div>Arsène
Tungali,</div>
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993810967</div>
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523644A0</div>
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Democratic
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Congo</div>
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iPhone (excuse
typos)</div>
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On Jun 25,
2018, at 5:11
PM, Elsa S
<<a
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noreferrer"
href="mailto:elsa.saade@GMAIL.COM"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">elsa.saade@GMAIL.COM</a>>
wrote:<br>
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</div>
<blockquote>
<div>
<div dir="ltr">
<div
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style="font-family:georgia,serif;font-size:small">It really saddens me
that some of
us haven't
been able to
make it
because of
Visa issues.
But happy to
help and make
myself
available
anytime!</div>
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style="font-family:georgia,serif;font-size:small"><br>
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style="font-family:georgia,serif;font-size:small">Best,</div>
<div
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style="font-family:georgia,serif;font-size:small"><br>
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style="font-family:georgia,serif;font-size:small">Elsa</div>
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style="font-family:georgia,serif;font-size:small">--</div>
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<div
class="m_-3288457693396400919m_-8005759433358939332aolmail_gmail_quote">On
Mon, Jun 25,
2018 at 9:31
AM, dorothy g
<span
dir="ltr"><<a
rel="noopener
noreferrer"
href="mailto:dgdorothydg@gmail.com"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">dgdorothydg@gmail.com</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
<blockquote
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<div dir="ltr">So
I guess this
is a last
minute thing
given the visa
issue. Thank
you Elsa for
stepping in.
When will this
discrimination
against
Africans stop!
Arsene glad
you can listen
in and
hopefully next
time you will
not encounter
this problem.
<div><br>
</div>
<div>best</div>
</div>
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<div
class="m_-3288457693396400919m_-8005759433358939332aolmail_gmail_quote">On
Mon, Jun 25,
2018 at 1:25
PM, farzaneh
badii <span
dir="ltr"><<a
rel="noopener
noreferrer"
href="mailto:farzaneh.badii@gmail.com"
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<div
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style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">She still takes on some of my
tasks. She was
not going to
replace me.
But because we
found out last
minute that
Arsene cannot
make it,
thought it's
better to have
an alternate
for Arsene
because this
is an
important
meeting. </div>
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<div dir="ltr">On
Mon, Jun 25,
2018 at 8:23
AM Farell
FOLLY <<a
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noreferrer"
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<div
style="word-wrap:break-word;line-break:after-white-space">Hello
Mrs Chair,
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Thanks
for the info,
but I thought
Elsa was going
to replace you
instead? What
happened?<br>
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<div>On 24 Jun
2018, at
07:49,
farzaneh badii
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target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">farzaneh.badii@gmail.com</a>>
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style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Dear all,</div>
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style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Unfortunately, Arsene cannot make
it to Panama.
Arsene will be
participating
remotely in
the Council
meetings but
we decided
that for an
in-person
presence, Elsa
Saade can be
his temp
alternate.</div>
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<div
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style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">This was a last minute decision
which we had
to take
because we
were still
hopeful that
Arsene could
make it. </div>
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<div
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style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Will see you and Arsene remotely
in virtual
meeting rooms.</div>
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style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Best </div>
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Elsa Saade<br>
Consultant</div>
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<div>Gulf
Centre for
Human Rights</div>
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