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<p class="MsoNormal">In other words there was never a genuine intention to honour it. It was insincerely signed simply to get ICANN out of the clutches of the Federal Government?</p>
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<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, January 16, 2018 7:13:35 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> John Carr; NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">The Affirmation of Commitments is an artifact of an ICANN subject to unilateral control by the US government. The Whois commitment in it reflects political pressure placed on the Commerce Department by US-based
trademark and law enforcement interests. Post-transition, the Affirmation has no meaning or consequence other than what was agreed in the accountability reforms of 2016.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">--MM<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="color:windowtext">From:</span></b><span style="color:windowtext"> John Carr [mailto:JohnC1912@msn.com]
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<b>Sent:</b> Monday, January 15, 2018 2:03 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Mueller, Milton L <milton@gatech.edu>; NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU<br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: Data Protection and Privacy Update: Seeking Community Feedback on Proposed Compliance Models<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="color:windowtext">In the “Affirmation of Commitments”” didn’t ICANN promise to maintain WHOIS as an accurate and public data base? Shouldn’t the objective be to stay as close to that as possible in every national
jurisdiction where that is legally allowed?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="color:windowtext">Or has ICANN decided that the promise it made in the Affirmation should now be formally abandoned or changed?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="color:windowtext">From:</span></b><span style="color:windowtext"> NCSG-Discuss [<a href="mailto:NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU">mailto:NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Mueller, Milton L<br>
<b>Sent:</b> 15 January 2018 16:24<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU">NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: Data Protection and Privacy Update: Seeking Community Feedback on Proposed Compliance Models<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">I do not think we want to maximize the ability of registrars to conform to national law. ICANN was created specifically to be a global governance agency so that DNS would be globally compatible and the market
for DNS services would be globally open and competitive. Encouraging variations in practices across jurisdictions moves us away from that goal.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">The simple solution to this dilemma is for Whois to conform narrowly to ICANN’s legitimate purpose in collecting the data and thus _<i>minimize</i>_ the data that it collects and makes publicly available. Thus,
while I agree ICANN not should press for higher national privacy standards, I do agree with Ayden that if it minimizes what it collects and makes available it flies above the problem of jurisdictional variation. If specific jurisdictions want to regulate local
registrars to force them to collect and/or disseminate more, that is (unfortunately) something they will have to deal with, but ICANN should make its global whois requirements well above the threshold that would violate the privacy laws of any country.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">In this respect ICANN is not the standard setter for all worldwide privacy, but it is, and is supposed to be, the global standard setter for DNS policy.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Dr. Milton Mueller<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Professor, School of Public Policy<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Georgia Institute of Technology<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Paul Rosenzweig<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, January 15, 2018 9:35 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU">NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: Data Protection and Privacy Update: Seeking Community Feedback on Proposed Compliance Models<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:windowtext">I tend to agree with Sam on this … the GDPR is a good standard, but it is not a universal standard. And just as we don’t want ICANN to be in the business of content regulation we don’t want it to be the standard
setter for world wide privacy. Our goal should be to identify the minimum contractually necessary and then allow divergence across the globe. The more difficult question is what, precisely, that minimum is …
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="color:windowtext">From:</span></b><span style="color:windowtext"> NCSG-Discuss [<a href="mailto:NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU">mailto:NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Sam Lanfranco<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Sunday, January 14, 2018 10:59 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU">NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: Data Protection and Privacy Update: Seeking Community Feedback on Proposed Compliance Models<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p>Colleagues,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>I may have an overly simplistic view of the issue here, but I would like to put it on the table. ICANN has a narrow remit within the growing area of global, regional (e.g. EU), and national Internet governance. It exercises that remit through a serious of
contracts with entities (registrars and registries) that operate under diverse national Internet governance jurisdictions.
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<p>With differing specific data protection language in diverse contexts, it is highly unlikely that ICANN can draft “higher standard” contract language that will satisfy the data privacy regulations of all, most, or even many, national data privacy regimes.
So, what is the path forward here?<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>There seem to be two components of a path forward. First, ICANN must figure out how it exercises ICANN agency as a stakeholder in the various legislative policy venues in which data privacy and other Internet governance policy is debated and where regulations
are formed. Some ICANN stakeholders already “have skin in those games” and are already present in those policy debates. ICANN writes contract language and needs to be engaged as a stakeholder.
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<p>Second, in contrast to seeking “higher standard” contract language, ICANN may need to look for “minimum conditions” contract language that offers contracted parties maximum freedom to negotiate with and meet the conditions of national Internet governance
policies. At the same time ICANN can use its agency as a stakeholder to press for “higher standard” national policies that harmonize regulations, and facilitate the work and interests of various stakeholders in the Internet ecosystem.
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<p>In short, the path forward may be (a) more ICANN agency as a stakeholder, and (b) minimal contract language to maximize the ability of contracted parties to deal with national policies and regulations.
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<p style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">Sam L. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 1/14/2018 10:02 AM, Ayden Férdeline wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">While I appreciate that not all countries have data protection laws, privacy remains a fundamental human right. My suggestion is thus that we should adopt the highest level of protection for all domain name registrants. And I suspect it
is a lot easier to implement one model, rather than fragmented models for different jurisdictions.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Please also remember that ICANN sets policy by contract; i.e. registries, registrars, and registrants agree by contract to follow the rules and policies created by ICANN, and these policies can be revised and deleted. So while ICANN must
of course comply with the law, it can adopt and impose a higher standard on the contracted parties.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Many thanks,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Subject: Re: Data Protection and Privacy Update: Seeking Community Feedback on Proposed Compliance Models<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Local Time: 14 January 2018 3:56 PM<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">UTC Time: 14 January 2018 14:56<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">From: <a href="mailto:muyiwacaleb@GMAIL.COM">muyiwacaleb@GMAIL.COM</a><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">To: <a href="mailto:NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU">NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU</a><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Hello Badii and Ayden,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">For me, i think the Model 2A serves the purposes. Don't forget that not all countries have data protection laws or policy in place.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Hence, based on jurisdiction, they cannot be governed by laws that is peculiar to a certain continent or sovereign state. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Sun, Jan 14, 2018 at 3:36 PM, Ayden Férdeline <<a href="mailto:icann@ferdeline.com">icann@ferdeline.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">The key differentiation between Model 2A and 2B is its applicability: 2A applies only "where the registrant, registry, registrar or a processor are located in the European Economic Area"; 2B "applies to all registrations on a global basis
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<p class="MsoNormal">Subject: Data Protection and Privacy Update: Seeking Community Feedback on Proposed Compliance Models<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Local Time: 13 January 2018 7:40 PM<o:p></o:p></p>
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<pre>"It is a disgrace to be rich and honoured<o:p></o:p></pre>
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<pre>Econ, York U., Toronto, Ontario, CANADA - M3J 1P3<o:p></o:p></pre>
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