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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:windowtext;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">In the “Affirmation of Commitments”” didn’t ICANN promise to maintain WHOIS as an accurate and public data base? Shouldn’t the objective be to stay as close to that as possible in
every national jurisdiction where that is legally allowed?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:windowtext;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Or has ICANN decided that the promise it made in the Affirmation should now be formally abandoned or changed?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="color:windowtext">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="color:windowtext"> NCSG-Discuss [mailto:NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Mueller, Milton L<br>
<b>Sent:</b> 15 January 2018 16:24<br>
<b>To:</b> NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: Data Protection and Privacy Update: Seeking Community Feedback on Proposed Compliance Models<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:#1F497D">I do not think we want to maximize the ability of registrars to conform to national law. ICANN was created specifically to be a global governance agency so that DNS would be globally compatible and
the market for DNS services would be globally open and competitive. Encouraging variations in practices across jurisdictions moves us away from that goal.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:#1F497D">The simple solution to this dilemma is for Whois to conform narrowly to ICANN’s legitimate purpose in collecting the data and thus _<i>minimize</i>_ the data that it collects and makes publicly available.
Thus, while I agree ICANN not should press for higher national privacy standards, I do agree with Ayden that if it minimizes what it collects and makes available it flies above the problem of jurisdictional variation. If specific jurisdictions want to regulate
local registrars to force them to collect and/or disseminate more, that is (unfortunately) something they will have to deal with, but ICANN should make its global whois requirements well above the threshold that would violate the privacy laws of any country.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:#1F497D">In this respect ICANN is not the standard setter for all worldwide privacy, but it is, and is supposed to be, the global standard setter for DNS policy.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:#1F497D">Dr. Milton Mueller<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:#1F497D">Professor, School of Public Policy<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:#1F497D">Georgia Institute of Technology<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><a href="https://nam03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.internetgovernance.org%2F&data=02%7C01%7C%7C3dd1a12959b643f67bc008d55c34a8b6%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636516303589985847&sdata=XX34ciGttsvyAXPD99%2F%2FC1jwcDyKMTh6mYtFW%2BmnryA%3D&reserved=0"><span style="color:#1F497D;text-decoration:none"><img border="0" width="205" height="44" style="width:2.1354in;height:.4583in" id="Picture_x0020_1" src="cid:image001.jpg@01D38E33.7FB23CA0" alt="IGP_logo_gold block_email sig"></span></a></span><span lang="EN-US" style="color:#1F497D"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="color:windowtext">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="color:windowtext"> NCSG-Discuss [<a href="mailto:NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU">mailto:NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Paul Rosenzweig<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, January 15, 2018 9:35 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU">NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: Data Protection and Privacy Update: Seeking Community Feedback on Proposed Compliance Models<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:windowtext">I tend to agree with Sam on this … the GDPR is a good standard, but it is not a universal standard. And just as we don’t want ICANN to be in the business of content regulation we don’t want it
to be the standard setter for world wide privacy. Our goal should be to identify the minimum contractually necessary and then allow divergence across the globe. The more difficult question is what, precisely, that minimum is …
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:windowtext">Paul Rosenzweig<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:windowtext">My PGP Key: <a href="https://nam03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fkeys.mailvelope.com%2Fpks%2Flookup%3Fop%3Dget%26search%3D0x9A830097CA066684&data=02%7C01%7C%7C3dd1a12959b643f67bc008d55c34a8b6%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636516303589985847&sdata=wWQcZO1MhOrDHAlX7uGqja0xhyYqjGzt00yxcVcXIRk%3D&reserved=0">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="color:windowtext">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="color:windowtext"> NCSG-Discuss [<a href="mailto:NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU">mailto:NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Sam Lanfranco<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Sunday, January 14, 2018 10:59 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU">NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: Data Protection and Privacy Update: Seeking Community Feedback on Proposed Compliance Models<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p><span lang="EN-US">Colleagues,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span lang="EN-US">I may have an overly simplistic view of the issue here, but I would like to put it on the table. ICANN has a narrow remit within the growing area of global, regional (e.g. EU), and national Internet governance. It exercises that remit
through a serious of contracts with entities (registrars and registries) that operate under diverse national Internet governance jurisdictions.
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<p><span lang="EN-US">With differing specific data protection language in diverse contexts, it is highly unlikely that ICANN can draft “higher standard” contract language that will satisfy the data privacy regulations of all, most, or even many, national data
privacy regimes. So, what is the path forward here?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span lang="EN-US">There seem to be two components of a path forward. First, ICANN must figure out how it exercises ICANN agency as a stakeholder in the various legislative policy venues in which data privacy and other Internet governance policy is debated
and where regulations are formed. Some ICANN stakeholders already “have skin in those games” and are already present in those policy debates. ICANN writes contract language and needs to be engaged as a stakeholder.
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<p><span lang="EN-US">Second, in contrast to seeking “higher standard” contract language, ICANN may need to look for “minimum conditions” contract language that offers contracted parties maximum freedom to negotiate with and meet the conditions of national
Internet governance policies. At the same time ICANN can use its agency as a stakeholder to press for “higher standard” national policies that harmonize regulations, and facilitate the work and interests of various stakeholders in the Internet ecosystem.
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<p><span lang="EN-US">In short, the path forward may be (a) more ICANN agency as a stakeholder, and (b) minimal contract language to maximize the ability of contracted parties to deal with national policies and regulations.
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<p style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span lang="EN-US">Sam L. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">On 1/14/2018 10:02 AM, Ayden Férdeline wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Hi Caleb,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">While I appreciate that not all countries have data protection laws, privacy remains a fundamental human right. My suggestion is thus that we should adopt the highest level of protection for all domain name registrants.
And I suspect it is a lot easier to implement one model, rather than fragmented models for different jurisdictions.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Please also remember that ICANN sets policy by contract; i.e. registries, registrars, and registrants agree by contract to follow the rules and policies created by ICANN, and these policies can be revised and deleted.
So while ICANN must of course comply with the law, it can adopt and impose a higher standard on the contracted parties.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Many thanks,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Ayden<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Local Time: 14 January 2018 3:56 PM<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Hello Badii and Ayden,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">For me, i think the Model 2A serves the purposes. Don't forget that not all countries have data protection laws or policy in place.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">On Sun, Jan 14, 2018 at 3:36 PM, Ayden Férdeline <<a href="mailto:icann@ferdeline.com">icann@ferdeline.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">The key differentiation between Model 2A and 2B is its applicability: 2A applies only "where the registrant, registry, registrar or a processor are located in the European Economic Area"; 2B "applies to all registrations
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">On this basis I think Model 2B is the best path forward. To have fragmented approaches for different regions would be a mistake, in my opinion.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Given the short turnaround time here (we need to agree on a position and submit a comment by 29 January) and other obstacles between now and then (Intersessional, GNSO Council Strategic Planning Session), may I suggest
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Best wishes, Ayden<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Subject: Data Protection and Privacy Update: Seeking Community Feedback on Proposed Compliance Models<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Local Time: 13 January 2018 7:40 PM<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<pre><span lang="EN-US">"It is a disgrace to be rich and honoured<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang="EN-US">in an unjust state" -Confucius<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang="EN-US"> </span><span style="font-family:"MS Gothic"">邦有道，</span><span style="font-family:"Microsoft JhengHei",sans-serif">贫且贱焉，耻也。邦无道，富且贵焉，耻也</span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></pre>
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<pre><span lang="EN-US">Dr Sam Lanfranco (Prof Emeritus & Senior Scholar)<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang="EN-US">Econ, York U., Toronto, Ontario, CANADA - M3J 1P3<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang="EN-US">email: <a href="mailto:Lanfran@Yorku.ca">Lanfran@Yorku.ca</a> Skype: slanfranco<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
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