<html><head></head><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:13px"><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1514281459709_72248" dir="ltr"><br id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1514281459709_72251">+1 Ayden. Also, while reconsidering the expenditure would be helpful to address the challenge, getting revenues up could do the trick too since the President (in the blog post) notes "lower domain name registrations than planned." ...CHALLENGE... Anyways, lets wait for the budget which will be out for public comment mid-January 2018. <br></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1514281459709_72405">Best, <br>Zakir<br></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1514281459709_72407"><br></div><div class="qtdSeparateBR"><br><br></div><div class="yahoo_quoted" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1514281459709_70069" style="display: block;"> <div style="font-family: Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 13px;" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1514281459709_70068"> <div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1514281459709_70067"> <div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1514281459709_70066"> <font id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1514281459709_70065" size="2" face="Arial"> <hr id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1514281459709_72140" size="1"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> Ayden Férdeline <icann@FERDELINE.COM><br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU <br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Thursday, December 21, 2017 8:20 PM<br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: Suggested Comment - ICANN Reserve Fund<br> </font> </div> <div class="y_msg_container" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1514281459709_70072"><br><div id="yiv8393383268"><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1514281459709_72151">Just to follow up on the below comment from Sala last month -<br></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1514281459709_70071"><br></div><div>In the comment that the NCSG submitted in relation to the Reserve Fund, we expressed our concern that income had stopped growing and we thought it was trending downwards.<br></div><div><br></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1514281459709_70345">We now have confirmation from ICANN org that this is true and that our analysis was correct. ICANN has now published a <a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="https://www.icann.org/news/blog/president-s-corner-finances-planning-for-the-next-two-years" title="https://www.icann.org/news/blog/president-s-corner-finances-planning-for-the-next-two-years" title-off="">blog post</a> in which the President and CEO says the following:<br></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1514281459709_70343"><br></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1514281459709_70324"><i id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1514281459709_70338">"... we saw slower funding in the first quarter of FY18 by $1m versus our approved budget, with lower domain name registrations than planned. So, we believe the FY18 funding could remain flat compared to FY17's funding, instead of the growth budgeted in FY18. We need to make some changes to address that. And, at the same time, we are currently planning for the next two years out – FY19 and FY20. We are also forecasting lower funding for FY19 compared to the approved FY18 budget... As a non-profit it is important that we stay within our budget. ... The reality is, ICANN has a significant budget but not an infinite budget. We need to make some changes, and can't do everything we are asked. You as the ICANN community will feel the impact of some of those changes."</i><i><br></i></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1514281459709_71975"><br></div><div>Clearly, the organisation does need to reconsider unnecessary expenditure, but it is not acceptable that we in the community feel the brunt of this impact. <br></div><div><br></div><div>Community support is not a sizeable part of the ICANN budget; the bulk of which is consumed by personnel costs, particularly staff travel, performance bonuses, and consultant costs.<br></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1514281459709_71977"><br></div><div>—Ayden<br></div><div><br></div><div class="yiv8393383268protonmail_signature_block"><div class="yiv8393383268protonmail_signature_block-proton yiv8393383268protonmail_signature_block-empty"><br></div></div><div><br></div><blockquote class="yiv8393383268protonmail_quote" type="cite"><div>-------- Original Message --------<br></div><div>Subject: Re: Suggested Comment - ICANN Reserve Fund<br></div><div>Local Time: 14 November 2017 9:54 PM<br></div><div>UTC Time: 14 November 2017 21:54<br></div><div>From: sala@PASIFIKANEXUS.NU<br></div><div>To: NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU<br></div><div><br></div><div dir="ltr"><div>Dear All,<br></div><div><br></div><div>Warm Greetings!<br></div><div><ol><li>Not take away from Ayden's work and this is not a criticism against Ayden but just merely on the draft document on google.<br></li><li>I personally do not agree with the recommendations and would like to see at least a table breaking down the relevant rations to allow for proper trend analysis. <br></li><li>Secondly, previous financial audits would be available to assess whether constituency goals within the broader strategic development plans and budgets should be assessed on clear deliverables on sanctioned initiatives within the broader ICANN Framework.<br></li><li>I have yet to see a paper on this from within the NCSG and if it was done and I missed it, grateful if somebody could send this to me so I can catch up on reading it. This might already have been done by the Finance Team so we just need to ask for it if we don't have it already.<br></li><li>Once we see the last 4 years ratios and also assess the growth of external actions against ICANN, we can easily project and forecast percentage of risks to ICANN;<br></li><li>I caution against making recommendations without the presence of financial analysis (trend analysis) and that this should be put to the community before we offer an input into specific recommendations.<br></li><li>At the moment, the Statement is an opinion (which might very well be shared amongst others) but one that is void of financial analysis and risk management (aside from the comment on to increase the "suggested 17 months target level" to the 24 months.<br></li><li>My apologies if the financial analysis was done along with the ratios and is on some wiki page that I have not accessed yet, just please point me to the right place and I will read and send comments in.<br></li></ol><div>Sincerely,<br></div></div><div>Sala<br></div><div class="yiv8393383268gmail_extra"><div><br></div><div class="yiv8393383268gmail_quote"><div>On Wed, Nov 15, 2017 at 4:45 AM, Mueller, Milton L <span dir="ltr"><<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:milton@gatech.edu" target="_blank" href="mailto:milton@gatech.edu">milton@gatech.edu</a>></span> wrote:<br></div><blockquote style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;" class="yiv8393383268gmail_quote"><div lang="EN-US"><div class="yiv8393383268m_-6313158432581191764WordSection1"><div class="yiv8393383268MsoNormal"><span class="yiv8393383268colour" style="color:rgb(31, 73, 125);"><span class="yiv8393383268font" style="font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;"><span class="yiv8393383268size" style="font-size:11pt;">Arsene<u></u></span></span></span><br></div><div class="yiv8393383268MsoNormal"><span class="yiv8393383268colour" style="color:rgb(31, 73, 125);"><span class="yiv8393383268font" style="font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;"><span class="yiv8393383268size" style="font-size:11pt;">Anyone can see the comments that were “resolved” by clicking on the “Comments” button in the upper right corner of the page. If you want to “re-open” a comment
thread, you can do so by clicking the blue “re-open” link. <u></u></span></span></span><br></div><div class="yiv8393383268MsoNormal"><span class="yiv8393383268colour" style="color:rgb(31, 73, 125);"><span class="yiv8393383268font" style="font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;"><span class="yiv8393383268size" style="font-size:11pt;"><u></u> <u></u></span></span></span><br></div><div class="yiv8393383268MsoNormal"><span class="yiv8393383268colour" style="color:rgb(31, 73, 125);"><span class="yiv8393383268font" style="font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;"><span class="yiv8393383268size" style="font-size:11pt;">--MM<u></u></span></span></span><br></div><div class="yiv8393383268MsoNormal"><span class="yiv8393383268colour" style="color:rgb(31, 73, 125);"><span class="yiv8393383268font" style="font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;"><span class="yiv8393383268size" style="font-size:11pt;"><u></u> <u></u></span></span></span><br></div><div style="border:none;border-right:solid blue 1.5pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt;"><div><div style="border:none;border-top:solid #e1e1e1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in;"><div class="yiv8393383268MsoNormal"><b><span class="yiv8393383268font" style="font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;"><span class="yiv8393383268size" style="font-size:11pt;">From:</span></span></b><span class="yiv8393383268font" style="font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;"><span class="yiv8393383268size" style="font-size:11pt;"> NCSG-Discuss [mailto:<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU" target="_blank" href="mailto:NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU">NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV. SYR.EDU</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Arsène Tungali<br> <b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, November 14, 2017 9:07 AM<br> <b>To:</b> <a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU" target="_blank" href="mailto:NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU">NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU</a></span></span></div><div><div class="yiv8393383268h5"><div><br></div><div><b>Subject:</b> Re: Suggested Comment - ICANN Reserve Fund<u></u><br></div></div></div><div><br></div></div></div><div><div class="yiv8393383268h5"><div class="yiv8393383268MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u><br></div><div><div><div><div><div><div class="yiv8393383268MsoNormal">Hi Ayden,<u></u><br></div></div><div><div class="yiv8393383268MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u><br></div></div><div style="margin-bottom:12.0pt;" class="yiv8393383268MsoNormal"></div><div>Thanks for working on the doc and thanks to those who were able to chim in to provide more substance or clarification. <br></div><div> <br></div><div> I hate Google docs because they allow the author to decide to "Resolve" comments even when they haven't reached consensus. Now for anyone who would like to go back to check the document, they won't be able to see the comments and the way they were adressed.
This is unfortunate and I would request next time, the author of the document to leave the comments and only when the author feels they have been adressed, then to consider them as "Resolved".<u></u><br></div><div></div></div><div style="margin-bottom:12.0pt;" class="yiv8393383268MsoNormal">I would like to call on everyone here to check my concerns in this thread and then check the Google doc to agree with me whether they have been adressed or not. Also, please do share your thoughts by editing
the document directly as a way to improve it (if appropriate).<u></u><br></div></div><div class="yiv8393383268MsoNormal">Thank you very much,<u></u><br></div></div><div class="yiv8393383268MsoNormal">Arsene<u></u><br></div><div><div><div><div style="margin-bottom:12.0pt;" class="yiv8393383268MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u><br></div></div></div></div></div><div><div class="yiv8393383268MsoNormal"><u></u><br></div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div class="yiv8393383268MsoNormal"></div><div>------------------------<br></div><div> *<a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://about.me/ArseneTungali"><b>Arsène Tungali</b></a>*<u></u><br></div><div></div></div><div class="yiv8393383268MsoNormal"></div><div>Co-Founder & Executive Director, <i><a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://www.rudiinternational.org/">Rudi international</a></i>,<br></div><div> CEO,<i> <a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://www.smart-serv.info/">Smart Services Sarl</a></i>, <i><a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://www.mabingwa-forum.com/">Mabingwa Forum</a></i> <br></div><div> Tel: <a rel="nofollow" href="">+243 993810967</a><u></u><br></div><div></div></div><div><div class="yiv8393383268MsoNormal">GPG: 523644A0<u></u><br></div></div><div><div style="margin-bottom:12.0pt;" class="yiv8393383268MsoNormal"><u>Goma, Democratic Republic of Congo</u><br></div></div><div><div class="yiv8393383268MsoNormal"></div><div><a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://tungali.blogspot.com/2015/06/selected-for-2015-mandela-washington.html">2015 Mandela Washington Felllow</a> (YALI) - ISOC Ambassador (IGF <a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://www.internetsociety.org/what-we-do/education-and-leadership-programmes/next-generation-leaders/igf-ambassadors-programme/Past-Ambassadors"> Brazil</a> & <a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://www.internetsociety.org/what-we-do/education-and-leadership-programmes/next-generation-leaders/Current-Ambassadors"> Mexico</a>) <span class="yiv8393383268font" style="">- <a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://afrisig.org/afrisig-2016/class-of-2016/"> AFRISIG 2016</a> - </span><a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://tungali.blogspot.com/">Blogger</a> - ICANN Fellow (<a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="https://www.icann.org/news/announcement-2014-07-18-en">Los Angeles</a> & <a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/marrakech55-attendees-2016-03-14-en"> Marrakech</a>).<i> </i>AFRINIC Fellow<i> </i>(<a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://www.afrinic.net/en/library/news/1907-afrinic-25-fellowship-winners">Mauritius</a>)<i> - </i><a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://www.igfsa.org/">IGFSA Member</a> - Internet Governance - Internet Freedom.<i> </i><br></div><div> <br></div><div> Check the <i>2016 State of Internet Freedom in DRC</i> report (<a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://cipesa.org/?wpfb_dl=234">English</a>) and (<a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://cipesa.org/?wpfb_dl=242">French</a>)<u></u><br></div><div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><div class="yiv8393383268MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u><br></div><div><div class="yiv8393383268MsoNormal">2017-11-13 16:39 GMT+02:00 Ayden Férdeline <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:icann@ferdeline.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:icann@ferdeline.com">icann@ferdeline.com</a>>:<u></u><br></div><blockquote style="border:none;border-right:solid #cccccc 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in;"><div><div class="yiv8393383268MsoNormal">Hi Arsene,<u></u><br></div></div><div><div class="yiv8393383268MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u><br></div></div><div><div class="yiv8393383268MsoNormal">I have now responded to all of your comments in the Google Doc. I encourage you to propose edits to the text directly if you think that the statement can be improved. It is a collaborative process, with the document open for all to edit
and shape. In my experience it can be easy to criticise or object to something, but a lot more challenging to come up with evidence-informed, alternative recommendations.<u></u><br></div></div><div><div class="yiv8393383268MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u><br></div></div><div><div class="yiv8393383268MsoNormal">Best wishes, Ayden<u></u><br></div></div><div><div class="yiv8393383268MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u><br></div></div><div><div><div class="yiv8393383268MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u><br></div></div></div><div><div class="yiv8393383268MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u><br></div></div><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt;"><div><div class="yiv8393383268MsoNormal">-------- Original Message --------<u></u><br></div></div><div><div class="yiv8393383268MsoNormal">Subject: Re: Suggested Comment - ICANN Reserve Fund<u></u><br></div></div><div><div><div><div class="yiv8393383268MsoNormal">Local Time: 13 November 2017 11:15 AM<u></u><br></div></div><div><div class="yiv8393383268MsoNormal">UTC Time: 13 November 2017 11:15<u></u><br></div></div><div><div class="yiv8393383268MsoNormal">From: <a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:arsenebaguma@gmail.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:arsenebaguma@gmail.com"> arsenebaguma@gmail.com</a><u></u><br></div></div><div><div class="yiv8393383268MsoNormal">To: Ayden Férdeline <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:icann@ferdeline.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:icann@ferdeline.com">icann@ferdeline.com</a>><u></u><br></div></div><div><div class="yiv8393383268MsoNormal"><a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU" target="_blank" href="mailto:NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU">NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU</a> <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:NCSG-DISCUSS@listserv.syr.edu" target="_blank" href="mailto:NCSG-DISCUSS@listserv.syr.edu">NCSG-DISCUSS@listserv.syr.edu</a> ><u></u><br></div></div><div><div class="yiv8393383268MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u><br></div></div><div><div><div class="yiv8393383268MsoNormal">Thanks Ayden,<u></u><br></div></div><div><div class="yiv8393383268MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u><br></div></div><div><div class="yiv8393383268MsoNormal">I will try and input most of these comments into the doc directly and<u></u><br></div></div><div><div class="yiv8393383268MsoNormal">hope they will be adressed.<u></u><br></div></div><div><div class="yiv8393383268MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u><br></div></div><div><div class="yiv8393383268MsoNormal">Regards,<u></u><br></div></div><div><div class="yiv8393383268MsoNormal">Arsene<u></u><br></div></div><div><div class="yiv8393383268MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u><br></div></div><div><div class="yiv8393383268MsoNormal">2017-11-13 12:48 UTC+02:00, Ayden Férdeline <a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:icann@ferdeline.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:icann@ferdeline.com"> icann@ferdeline.com</a>:<u></u><br></div></div></div></div></div><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt;"><div><div><div><div class="yiv8393383268MsoNormal">Hi Arsene,<u></u><br></div></div><div><div><div class="yiv8393383268MsoNormal">You are welcome to propose edits to the text directly. The Google Doc is<u></u><br></div></div><div><div class="yiv8393383268MsoNormal">open for all to edit and shape, and I note that you managed to comment on<u></u><br></div></div><div><div class="yiv8393383268MsoNormal">another one roughly 30 minutes ago. As a reminder, this is just proposed<u></u><br></div></div><div><div class="yiv8393383268MsoNormal">text and of course not yet endorsed by the NCSG, so nothing is final and<u></u><br></div></div><div><div class="yiv8393383268MsoNormal">edits are still possible. That being said, if I may politely suggest you<u></u><br></div></div><div><div class="yiv8393383268MsoNormal">first read the supporting material which I linked to in my initial email, it<u></u><br></div></div><div><div class="yiv8393383268MsoNormal">might be helpful to see what it is that ICANN is requesting that we comment<u></u><br></div></div><div><div class="yiv8393383268MsoNormal">on.<u></u><br></div></div></div><div><div class="yiv8393383268MsoNormal">Thanks,<u></u><br></div></div><div><div class="yiv8393383268MsoNormal">Ayden<u></u><br></div></div></div></div><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt;"><div><div><div><div><div class="yiv8393383268MsoNormal">-------- Original Message --------<u></u><br></div></div><div><div class="yiv8393383268MsoNormal">Subject: Re: Suggested Comment - ICANN Reserve Fund<u></u><br></div></div><div><div class="yiv8393383268MsoNormal">Local Time: 13 November 2017 10:33 AM<u></u><br></div></div><div><div class="yiv8393383268MsoNormal">UTC Time: 13 November 2017 10:33<u></u><br></div></div><div><div class="yiv8393383268MsoNormal">From: <a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:arsenebaguma@GMAIL.COM" target="_blank" href="mailto:arsenebaguma@GMAIL.COM"> arsenebaguma@GMAIL.COM</a><u></u><br></div></div><div><div class="yiv8393383268MsoNormal">To: <a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU" target="_blank" href="mailto:NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU"> NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU</a><u></u><br></div></div></div><div><div class="yiv8393383268MsoNormal">Hi Ayden,<u></u><br></div></div><div><div class="yiv8393383268MsoNormal">Thanks for pulling together this comment.<u></u><br></div></div><div><div><div class="yiv8393383268MsoNormal">I am sending here few comments as my network doesn’t allow me to work<u></u><br></div></div><div><div class="yiv8393383268MsoNormal">on the Google doc now. I don’t have a very good background with<u></u><br></div></div><div><div class="yiv8393383268MsoNormal">finances or budgets, but I will try to share few comments bellow.<u></u><br></div></div></div><div><div><div class="yiv8393383268MsoNormal">First, I am in total agreement with you that ICANN should not consider<u></u><br></div></div><div><div class="yiv8393383268MsoNormal">taking away from the new gTLD Auction Proceeds funds as these should<u></u><br></div></div><div><div class="yiv8393383268MsoNormal">not seek to cover ICANN’s operating expenses but support external<u></u><br></div></div><div><div class="yiv8393383268MsoNormal">projects that align with ICANN’s mission. This discussion has been<u></u><br></div></div><div><div class="yiv8393383268MsoNormal">happening in the AP WG and that was my point as well.<u></u><br></div></div></div><div><div><div class="yiv8393383268MsoNormal">“However, given the organisation’s unusual risk profile, we would<u></u><br></div></div><div><div class="yiv8393383268MsoNormal">encourage the organisation to set a target level for the Reserve Fund<u></u><br></div></div><div><div class="yiv8393383268MsoNormal">of a minimum of 24 months of operating expenses.”<u></u><br></div></div></div><div><div class="yiv8393383268MsoNormal">Is there any reason why you are requesting this, Ayden?<u></u><br></div></div><div><div><div class="yiv8393383268MsoNormal">If the org is failing to keep the fund to a minimum of 12 months, I<u></u><br></div></div><div><div class="yiv8393383268MsoNormal">think it is asking too much for now (though it would be great if they<u></u><br></div></div><div><div class="yiv8393383268MsoNormal">are able to) to ask them to keep a minimum of 24 months. I would<u></u><br></div></div><div><div class="yiv8393383268MsoNormal">suggest this comment to focus on helping them to be able to stick and<u></u><br></div></div><div><div class="yiv8393383268MsoNormal">ensure they remain with a minimum of 12 months as they have been doing<u></u><br></div></div><div><div class="yiv8393383268MsoNormal">trying to do since 2007.<u></u><br></div></div></div><div><div class="yiv8393383268MsoNormal">“However, there are many ways in which ICANN could cut funding”<u></u><br></div></div><div><div><div class="yiv8393383268MsoNormal">Thanks for suggesting some ways ICANN can cut down some of its<u></u><br></div></div><div><div class="yiv8393383268MsoNormal">expenses and call them on being more responsible with the way they<u></u><br></div></div><div><div class="yiv8393383268MsoNormal">make expenses. Many of these suggestions are valid after a quick look<u></u><br></div></div><div><div class="yiv8393383268MsoNormal">but need to be looked at in deep in order to ensure we all have the<u></u><br></div></div><div><div class="yiv8393383268MsoNormal">same opinion as the NCSG.<u></u><br></div></div></div><div><div><div class="yiv8393383268MsoNormal">I do agree with a comment I read that these can be more relevant<u></u><br></div></div><div><div class="yiv8393383268MsoNormal">suggestions with regards to the Operating Funds not the Reserve Funds.<u></u><br></div></div><div><div class="yiv8393383268MsoNormal">Can we work on another comment in the future (not sure whether there<u></u><br></div></div><div><div class="yiv8393383268MsoNormal">is an open comment on Operating Funds) and present these arguments<u></u><br></div></div><div><div class="yiv8393383268MsoNormal">instead?<u></u><br></div></div></div><div><div><div class="yiv8393383268MsoNormal">I know you have personal reasons or strong opinions with regards to<u></u><br></div></div><div><div class="yiv8393383268MsoNormal">the Fellowship program but I don’t think this is the right place to<u></u><br></div></div><div><div class="yiv8393383268MsoNormal">present that because there is no general agreement within the NCSG on<u></u><br></div></div><div><div class="yiv8393383268MsoNormal">what needs to be our response with regards to the Fellowship program<u></u><br></div></div><div><div class="yiv8393383268MsoNormal">and its expenses. I am sure many of us agree that there is a need to<u></u><br></div></div><div><div class="yiv8393383268MsoNormal">review this program though. I think this can be the subject of a<u></u><br></div></div><div><div class="yiv8393383268MsoNormal">different discussion that needs to happen before we can present it as<u></u><br></div></div><div><div class="yiv8393383268MsoNormal">the NCSG opinion.<u></u><br></div></div></div><div><div><div class="yiv8393383268MsoNormal">With regards to GSE expenses, I would appreciate to have a reference<u></u><br></div></div><div><div class="yiv8393383268MsoNormal">that supports this claim or if you could expand more here on what you<u></u><br></div></div><div><div class="yiv8393383268MsoNormal">mean because this can be seen as a pure claim with no evidences. Are<u></u><br></div></div><div><div class="yiv8393383268MsoNormal">you saying that the GSE is making expenses for activities that are out<u></u><br></div></div><div><div class="yiv8393383268MsoNormal">of ICANN’s remit?<u></u><br></div></div></div><div><div><div class="yiv8393383268MsoNormal">I would not like to sound like commenting on all these suggested ways<u></u><br></div></div><div><div class="yiv8393383268MsoNormal">for ICANN to cut its expenses but I think for an NCSG comment, we may<u></u><br></div></div><div><div class="yiv8393383268MsoNormal">need to base our current and future comments on issues we have openly<u></u><br></div></div><div><div class="yiv8393383268MsoNormal">discussed on the list and where we seemed to have an agreement and<u></u><br></div></div><div><div class="yiv8393383268MsoNormal">only have been waiting for an opportunity to make them public as a<u></u><br></div></div><div><div class="yiv8393383268MsoNormal">stance.<u></u><br></div></div></div><div><div><div class="yiv8393383268MsoNormal">So, I would strongly suggest that we don’t make suggestions (unless<u></u><br></div></div><div><div class="yiv8393383268MsoNormal">someone has other suggestions) and stick to the fact that ICANN should<u></u><br></div></div><div><div class="yiv8393383268MsoNormal">carefully look at the way they make expenses in their operations and<u></u><br></div></div><div><div class="yiv8393383268MsoNormal">use some of the remainder to replenish the Reserve Funds. I wish I was<u></u><br></div></div><div><div class="yiv8393383268MsoNormal">able to provide more.<u></u><br></div></div></div><div><div><div class="yiv8393383268MsoNormal">I would like to thank you, Ayden for holding the pen here again<u></u><br></div></div><div><div class="yiv8393383268MsoNormal">(something many of us here are not yet able to do) but I would call<u></u><br></div></div><div><div class="yiv8393383268MsoNormal">for caution that we should not seek to use NCSG to channel personal<u></u><br></div></div><div><div class="yiv8393383268MsoNormal">opinions. I would instead encourage whenever we have a concern or an<u></u><br></div></div><div><div class="yiv8393383268MsoNormal">opinion over something, to raise it with the membership, discuss it<u></u><br></div></div><div><div class="yiv8393383268MsoNormal">and then when there is an opportunity to publicly address them, then<u></u><br></div></div><div><div class="yiv8393383268MsoNormal">we can use NCSG voice to raise them.<u></u><br></div></div></div><div><div><div class="yiv8393383268MsoNormal">Thank you very much,<u></u><br></div></div><div><div class="yiv8393383268MsoNormal">Arsene<u></u><br></div></div></div><div><div class="yiv8393383268MsoNormal">2017-11-12 14:46 UTC+02:00, Carlos Raul Gutierrez <a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:crg@isoc-cr.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:crg@isoc-cr.org"> crg@isoc-cr.org</a>:<u></u><br></div></div></div></div><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt;"><div><div><div><h2>Dear Ayden,<u></u><br></h2></div><div><h2>thanks a lot for this excellent draft, which by the way updated me and<u></u><br></h2></div><div><h2>gave<u></u><br></h2></div><div><h2>me a very good picture of the whole discussion.<u></u><br></h2></div><div><h2>Based on my own experience, ICANN high dependency on a stream of fees<u></u><br></h2></div><div><h2>directly related to the size of the DNS market is a problem of capture in<u></u><br></h2></div><div><h2>waiting. Most entities that deal with such dynamic markets (I'm no going<u></u><br></h2></div><div><h2>to<u></u><br></h2></div><div><h2>use the word) tend to prefer vaccinate themselves from the illusion of an<u></u><br></h2></div><div><h2>endless source of income, by developing a cost based budget first, and<u></u><br></h2></div><div><h2>justifying every year its budget to the providers of income, instead of<u></u><br></h2></div><div><h2>defending a TAX or cut of their business.<u></u><br></h2></div><div><h2>My humble suggestion is that within your suggestion that the Board would<u></u><br></h2></div><div><h2>think a little bit harder about this issue, we include the general notion<u></u><br></h2></div><div><h2>of a cost based budgeting system, as an important step to reduce the risk<u></u><br></h2></div><div><h2>of inflated expectations about the growth potential of the DNS market of<u></u><br></h2></div><div><h2>the present tax based system. Some new gTLDs are not sustainable under<u></u><br></h2></div><div><h2>the<u></u><br></h2></div><div><h2>present cost structure of the ICANN Corporation, and it would be a pity<u></u><br></h2></div><div><h2>to<u></u><br></h2></div><div><h2>limit the innovation and openness of the DNS just because its structure<u></u><br></h2></div><div><h2>is<u></u><br></h2></div><div><h2>so expensive to maintain.<u></u><br></h2></div><div><h2>Thanks again for your work and considering my ideas.<u></u><br></h2></div><div><h2>Carlos Raúl Gutiérrez<u></u><br></h2></div><div><h2>ISOC Costa Rica Chapter<u></u><br></h2></div><div><h2>skype carlos.raulg<u></u><br></h2></div><div><h2><a rel="nofollow" href="">+506 8837 7176</a><u></u><br></h2></div></div></div><div><div><div class="yiv8393383268MsoNormal">Apartado 1571-1000<u></u><br></div></div><div><div class="yiv8393383268MsoNormal">COSTA RICA<u></u><br></div></div><div><div class="yiv8393383268MsoNormal">On Wed, Nov 8, 2017 at 2:28 PM, Ayden Férdeline <a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:icann@ferdeline.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:icann@ferdeline.com"> icann@ferdeline.com</a><u></u><br></div></div><div><div class="yiv8393383268MsoNormal">wrote:<u></u><br></div></div></div><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt;"><div><div><div class="yiv8393383268MsoNormal">Hi,<u></u><br></div></div><div><div class="yiv8393383268MsoNormal">I have drafted a response on behalf of the NCSG regarding ICANN's<u></u><br></div></div><div><div class="yiv8393383268MsoNormal">Reserve<u></u><br></div></div><div><div class="yiv8393383268MsoNormal">Fund. The call for public comments and supporting documentation can be<u></u><br></div></div><div><div class="yiv8393383268MsoNormal">found<u></u><br></div></div><div><div class="yiv8393383268MsoNormal">here <a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="https://www.icann.org/public-comments/reserve-fund-2017-10-12-en"> https://www.icann.org/public- comments/reserve-fund-2017-10- 12-en</a>.<u></u><br></div></div><div><div class="yiv8393383268MsoNormal">The proposed comment that I have drafted is on Google Docs here<u></u><br></div></div><div><div class="yiv8393383268MsoNormal"><a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="https://docs.google.com/document/d/1WJICv5BgHyBIo_o3twOkK0BZDyALIvZYjKXiY5s3RgI/edit?usp=sharing">https://docs.google.com/ document/d/1WJICv5BgHyBIo_ o3twOkK0BZDyALIvZYjKXiY5s3RgI/ edit?usp=sharing</a>.<u></u><br></div></div><div><div class="yiv8393383268MsoNormal">This is a rough draft; your comments will be instrumental in shaping the<u></u><br></div></div><div><div class="yiv8393383268MsoNormal">final version, if the NCSG choses to submit one. But for now I welcome<u></u><br></div></div><div><div class="yiv8393383268MsoNormal">your<u></u><br></div></div><div><div class="yiv8393383268MsoNormal">constructive edits to the text. 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AFRINIC Fellow (Mauritius<u></u><br></div></div><div><div style="margin-left:.5in;" class="yiv8393383268MsoNormal"><a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://www.afrinic.net/en/library/news/1907-afrinic-25-fellowship-winners">http://www.afrinic.net/en/ library/news/1907-afrinic-25- fellowship-winners</a>)*<u></u><br></div></div><div><ul type="disc"><li class="yiv8393383268MsoNormal">*IGFSA Member <a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://www.igfsa.org/">http://www.igfsa.org/</a> - Internet Governance - Internet<u></u><br></li></ul></div><div><div style="margin-left:.5in;" class="yiv8393383268MsoNormal">Freedom.<u></u><br></div></div><div><div style="margin-left:.5in;" class="yiv8393383268MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u><br></div></div><div><div style="margin-left:.5in;" class="yiv8393383268MsoNormal">Check the <i>2016 State of Internet Freedom in DRC</i> report (English<u></u><br></div></div><div><div style="margin-left:.5in;" class="yiv8393383268MsoNormal"><a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://cipesa.org/?wpfb_dl=234">http://cipesa.org/?wpfb_dl=234</a> ) and (French<u></u><br></div></div><div><div style="margin-left:.5in;" class="yiv8393383268MsoNormal"><a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://cipesa.org/?wpfb_dl=242">http://cipesa.org/?wpfb_dl=242</a> )<u></u><br></div></div></blockquote><div><div class="yiv8393383268MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u><br></div></div></blockquote></div><div class="yiv8393383268MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u><br></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>-- <br></div><div class="yiv8393383268gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div>Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro<br></div><div>Director<br></div><div>Pasifika Nexus<br></div><div>P.O Box 17862<br></div><div>Suva<br></div><div><b><u>FIJI</u></b><br></div><div><br></div><div>Cell: +679 <span>7656770</span><br></div><div>Tel: +679 3362003<br></div><div>E: <a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:sala@pasifikanexus.nu" target="_blank" href="mailto:sala@pasifikanexus.nu">sala@pasifikanexus.nu</a><br></div><div>Website: <a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://www.pasifikanexus.nu/">www.pasifikanexus.nu</a> <br></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div></div><br><br></div> </div> </div> </div></div></body></html>