<div dir="ltr">Hi Badii,<div><br></div><div> I think the reason why it was shared was for an informational purposes and not for discussion since it's not related to our mission. I would say the reason why we lack volunteers in working groups is the complexity in the ICANN environment and the struggle to understand the high level policy discussions.</div><div><br></div><div>Regards.</div><div>Peter</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Dec 5, 2017 at 11:25 PM, farzaneh badii <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:farzaneh.badii@gmail.com" target="_blank">farzaneh.badii@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">The topic of this discussion was specifically about net neutrality and FCC. The current discussion has nothing to do with ICANN. Framing registrars neutrality under the rubric of net neutrality is good discussion to be had. But I prefer not to have it here because this thread was about FCC actions on net neutrality. Which has nothing to do with us. </div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">One of the main problems we have at NCSG is that we have many members who are not very clear on what is it that we exactly do. As the chair of NCSG I feel responsible to clarify what is it that we do and not to confuse them with other Internet governance issues that they cannot really affect through NCSG. </div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">We are a stakeholder group at ICANN. we work on policy regarding generic domain names at ICANN. We do not have the bandwidth nor the mandate to affect broader Internet governance issues. We don't work on fiber optics and broad band and mobile Internet. And not net neutrality as it is framed and discussed at the moment here. </div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">we lack volunteers in various policy working groups. Where we actually can have an effect. Lets join those groups and bring real change to ICANN policy. If you want to talk about registrars' neutrality and the role of ICANN, there are ample opportunities for that we dedicated much time of NCUC sessions to that concept and I will try my best to provide platform to discuss this issue with ICANN even more if the group agrees to do so. But this thread was not about that.</div><span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div></font></span></div><div class="gmail_extra"><span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br clear="all"><div><div class="m_8895799452413004047gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><font face="verdana, sans-serif">Farzaneh </font></div></div></div></div></font></span><div><div class="h5">
<br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Dec 5, 2017 at 4:56 PM, Mueller, Milton L <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:milton@gatech.edu" target="_blank">milton@gatech.edu</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">More recently, we (IGP) floated the idea of “registrar neutrality” with regard to disabling or suspending names due to the content of websites. See that paper
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">If you are concerned about Internet access and neutrality, there is plenty for you to do in ICANN.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<b>Sent:</b> Monday, December 4, 2017 4:05 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU" target="_blank">NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU</a><br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">Thank you Mr. Aggrwal for your note. However I have to disagree with you and remind our current members and our new members that: NCSG and its constituencies do not have a lot of resources.
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<p class="MsoNormal">Well yes this is overwhelming. But If we have such a strong case, for a large, (quite a few) well funded community like ours, then we should have some data, stats and presentation prepared, and file a law suit in any court around the world
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<strong>Trump’s FCC Chair, Ajit Pai, just released his plan to kill net neutrality.</strong><u></u><u></u></p>
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<strong>But even with net neutrality rules in place, companies such as Verizon, AT&T, and Comcast have broken the regulations over and over and over.</strong> In just two years, the FCC has received more than 40,000 net neutrality complaints from consumers.<sup>2</sup><u></u><u></u></p>
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If Title II protections are allowed to be overturned, we will go back to the days when Big Cable throttled websites based on what internet companies paid, blocked traffic to sites that competed with their own services, and redirected sites without user permission—all
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