<div dir="auto"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_extra">Hi all,</div><div class="gmail_extra"> </div><div class="gmail_extra">The Policy Committee sent this communication following careful deliberation on our open Policy Call and on our publicly archived mailing list. We acted in accordance with our charter, so to ensure that the NCSG was well represented in the ongoing community dialogue in relation to the GDPR and not being left out.</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br></div><div class="gmail_extra">The position that we advocated for was consistent with prior positions and statements that the NCSG has submitted. As policy committee chair, I considered and believe that was the right action to do. </div><div class="gmail_extra"> </div><div class="gmail_extra">Best,</div><div class="gmail_extra"> </div><div class="gmail_extra">Rafik</div><div><br></div></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br>
<br><div class="gmail_quote">2017-10-27 2:11 GMT+09:00 Ayden Férdeline <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:icann@ferdeline.com" target="_blank">icann@ferdeline.com</a>></span>:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div>Hi Nick,<br></div><div><br></div><div>I think it is best for the Policy Committee Chair to respond to your question, but I will jump in quickly because he is flying to Abu Dhabi as we speak.<br></div><div><br></div><div>The letter which the Policy Committee sent was not "substantive" in nature; it was a simple restatement of the positions which the NCSG has previously developed in consultation with our membership, and adopted previously by way of public comments. It was a rehash; and not a departure from our past positions.<br></div><div><br></div><div>Thank you,<br></div><div><br></div><div>Ayden <br></div><div class="m_6174472397995579874gmail-m_-6454537100551450190gmail-m_8926219953502118260protonmail_signature_block"><div class="m_6174472397995579874gmail-m_-6454537100551450190gmail-m_8926219953502118260protonmail_signature_block-proton m_6174472397995579874gmail-m_-6454537100551450190gmail-m_8926219953502118260protonmail_signature_block-empty"><br></div></div><div><br></div><blockquote type="cite" class="m_6174472397995579874gmail-m_-6454537100551450190gmail-m_8926219953502118260protonmail_quote"><span class="m_6174472397995579874gmail-m_-6454537100551450190gmail-"><div>-------- Original Message --------<br></div><div>Subject: Re: Letter from NCSG PC to Swinehart, Atallah, Marby, and Crocker re: GDPR<br></div></span><div><div class="m_6174472397995579874gmail-m_-6454537100551450190gmail-h5"><div>Local Time: 24 October 2017 2:56 PM<br></div><div>UTC Time: 24 October 2017 13:56<br></div><div>From: <a href="mailto:lists@NICKSHOREY.COM" target="_blank">lists@NICKSHOREY.COM</a><br></div><div>To: <a href="mailto:NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU" target="_blank">NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU</a><br></div><div><br></div><div dir="ltr"><div>Hi Rafik,<br></div><div><br></div><div>Thanks for the clarification. It is therefore m<span style="color:rgb(0,0,0)" class="m_6174472397995579874gmail-m_-6454537100551450190gmail-m_8926219953502118260colour"><span style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif" class="m_6174472397995579874gmail-m_-6454537100551450190gmail-m_8926219953502118260font">y observation is that the process in this instance was actually inconsistent with the charter, namely:</span></span><br></div><div><br></div><div><span style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif" class="m_6174472397995579874gmail-m_-6454537100551450190gmail-m_8926219953502118260font"><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0)" class="m_6174472397995579874gmail-m_-6454537100551450190gmail-m_8926219953502118260colour"><i>"<b>2.7.7 Participation Rights</b></i></span></span><br></div><div><span style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif" class="m_6174472397995579874gmail-m_-6454537100551450190gmail-m_8926219953502118260font"><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0)" class="m_6174472397995579874gmail-m_-6454537100551450190gmail-m_8926219953502118260colour"><i> The NCSG Membership shall have the following participation rights in regard to the administration and policy development processes of the Stakeholder Group"</i></span></span><br></div><div><i></i><br></div><div><span style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif" class="m_6174472397995579874gmail-m_-6454537100551450190gmail-m_8926219953502118260font"><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0)" class="m_6174472397995579874gmail-m_-6454537100551450190gmail-m_8926219953502118260colour"><i>4. Be given timely notice of all position papers developed by the NCSG on the public NCSG email list and afforded an opportunity to comment on them;"</i></span></span><br></div><div><span style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif" class="m_6174472397995579874gmail-m_-6454537100551450190gmail-m_8926219953502118260font"><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0)" class="m_6174472397995579874gmail-m_-6454537100551450190gmail-m_8926219953502118260colour"></span></span><br></div><div><span style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif" class="m_6174472397995579874gmail-m_-6454537100551450190gmail-m_8926219953502118260font"><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0)" class="m_6174472397995579874gmail-m_-6454537100551450190gmail-m_8926219953502118260colour">and:</span></span><br></div><div><span style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif" class="m_6174472397995579874gmail-m_-6454537100551450190gmail-m_8926219953502118260font"><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0)" class="m_6174472397995579874gmail-m_-6454537100551450190gmail-m_8926219953502118260colour"></span></span><br></div><div><span style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif" class="m_6174472397995579874gmail-m_-6454537100551450190gmail-m_8926219953502118260font"><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0)" class="m_6174472397995579874gmail-m_-6454537100551450190gmail-m_8926219953502118260colour"><i>"<b>2.5 The Policy Committee</b></i></span></span><br></div><div><span style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif" class="m_6174472397995579874gmail-m_-6454537100551450190gmail-m_8926219953502118260font"><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0)" class="m_6174472397995579874gmail-m_-6454537100551450190gmail-m_8926219953502118260colour"><i>The NCSG Policy Committee is responsible for:</i></span></span><br></div><div><span style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif" class="m_6174472397995579874gmail-m_-6454537100551450190gmail-m_8926219953502118260font"><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0)" class="m_6174472397995579874gmail-m_-6454537100551450190gmail-m_8926219953502118260colour"><i></i></span></span><br></div><div><span style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif" class="m_6174472397995579874gmail-m_-6454537100551450190gmail-m_8926219953502118260font"><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0)" class="m_6174472397995579874gmail-m_-6454537100551450190gmail-m_8926219953502118260colour"><i>- Discussion and development of substantive policies issued in the name of the NCSG. This activity will require coordination with the membership and constituencies;"</i></span></span><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0)" class="m_6174472397995579874gmail-m_-6454537100551450190gmail-m_8926219953502118260colour"><span style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif" class="m_6174472397995579874gmail-m_-6454537100551450190gmail-m_8926219953502118260font">I also recall expressing my concern to the sending of a letter during the call on 10th October, so would have welcomed the opportunity to review any draft letter and support, abstain or formalise my objections for it was sent.</span></span><br></div><div><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0)" class="m_6174472397995579874gmail-m_-6454537100551450190gmail-m_8926219953502118260colour"><span style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif" class="m_6174472397995579874gmail-m_-6454537100551450190gmail-m_8926219953502118260font"></span></span><br></div><div><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0)" class="m_6174472397995579874gmail-m_-6454537100551450190gmail-m_8926219953502118260colour"><span style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif" class="m_6174472397995579874gmail-m_-6454537100551450190gmail-m_8926219953502118260font">I therefore welcome the ideas expressed in Rafik's email of 8 August for the development of detailed operating procedures setting out the working processes for the Policy Committee, and agree with Milton that as part of these should be the requirement that all statements from the PC should be run through the main list beforehand. </span></span><br></div><div><br></div><div><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0)" class="m_6174472397995579874gmail-m_-6454537100551450190gmail-m_8926219953502118260colour">Kind regards,</span><br></div><div><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0)" class="m_6174472397995579874gmail-m_-6454537100551450190gmail-m_8926219953502118260colour"></span><br></div><div><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0)" class="m_6174472397995579874gmail-m_-6454537100551450190gmail-m_8926219953502118260colour">Nick</span><br></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><div><br></div><div><div class="m_6174472397995579874gmail-m_-6454537100551450190gmail-m_8926219953502118260gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><b>Nick Shorey</b><br></div><div>Phone: <a href="tel:+44%207552%20455988" value="+447552455988" target="_blank">+44 (0) 7552 455 988</a><br></div><div>Email: <a href="mailto:lists@nickshorey.com" target="_blank">lists@nickshorey.com</a><br></div><div>Skype: nick.shorey<br></div><div>Twitter: @nickshorey<br></div><div>LinkedIn: <a href="http://www.linkedin.com/in/nicklinkedin" target="_blank">www.linkedin.com/in/nicklinked<wbr>in</a><br></div><div>Web: <a href="http://www.nickshorey.com" target="_blank">www.nickshorey.com</a><br></div></div></div></div></div></div><div><br></div><div class="gmail_quote"><div>On Tue, Oct 24, 2017 at 1:49 PM, Mueller, Milton L <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:milton@gatech.edu" target="_blank">milton@gatech.edu</a>></span> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto"><div><div>Statements from the PC should always be run through the main list. <br></div><span class="m_6174472397995579874gmail-m_-6454537100551450190gmail-m_8926219953502118260HOEnZb"><span style="color:rgb(136,136,136)" class="m_6174472397995579874gmail-m_-6454537100551450190gmail-m_8926219953502118260colour"><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>Milton L Mueller<br></div><div>Professor, School of Public Policy<br></div><div>Georgia Institute of Technology<br></div></span></span></div><div><div class="m_6174472397995579874gmail-m_-6454537100551450190gmail-m_8926219953502118260h5"><div><div><br></div><div>On Oct 21, 2017, at 21:12, Rafik Dammak <<a href="mailto:rafik.dammak@GMAIL.COM" target="_blank">rafik.dammak@GMAIL.COM</a>> wrote:<br></div><div><br></div></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra"><div><div class="m_6174472397995579874gmail-m_-6454537100551450190gmail-m_8926219953502118260m_2155497207202985404gmail_signature"><div>Hi Nick,<br></div><div><br></div><div>yes, it is the current NCSG charter. <br></div><div>we don't have operating procedures yet on that matter. We started working on those procedures a few months ago with a small drafting team in order to get clear processes (<a href="https://lists.ncsg.is/pipermail/ncsg-pc/2017-August/000796.html" target="_blank">https://lists.ncsg.is/piperma<wbr>il/ncsg-pc/2017-August/000796.<wbr>html</a>)
and avoid ad-hoc approach.<br></div><div><br></div><div>Best,<br></div><div><br></div><div>Rafik<br></div></div></div><div><br></div><div class="gmail_quote"><div>2017-10-22 8:12 GMT+09:00 Nick Shorey Lists <span dir="ltr"> <<a href="mailto:lists@nickshorey.com" target="_blank">lists@nickshorey.com</a>></span>:<br></div><div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto"><div>Hi Arsène,<br></div><div><br></div><div>Thanks for the clarification.<br></div><div><br></div><div>Can you (or anyone else) confirm whether V5 (May 2011) is the current NSCG Charter?<br></div><div>Link: <a href="https://community.icann.org/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=38046240&exitMobile=true" target="_blank">https://community.icann.<wbr>org/pages/viewpage.action?page<wbr>Id=38046240&exitMobile=true</a><br></div><div><br></div><div>In addition to the NCSG charter, are there any other documents / operating procedures that further detail how the Policy Committee operates?<br></div><div><br></div><div>Kind regards,<br></div><div><br></div><div>Nick<br></div><div><div class="m_6174472397995579874gmail-m_-6454537100551450190gmail-m_8926219953502118260m_2155497207202985404gmail-h5"><div><div><br></div><div>On 21 Oct 2017, at 18:39, Arsène Tungali <<a href="mailto:arsenebaguma@gmail.com" target="_blank">arsenebaguma@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><div><br></div></div><div><div>Hi Nick,<br></div><div><br></div><div>As said by Ayden, the letter was drafter, discussed and agreed upon by our Policy Committee. It was not shared to the NCSG list.<br></div><div><br></div><div>Regards,<br></div><div><div>Arsene<br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>-----------------<br></div><div>Arsène Tungali,<br></div><div><a href="http://about.me/ArseneTungali" target="_blank">about.me/ArseneTungali</a><br></div><div><a href="tel:+243%20993%20810%20967" value="+243993810967" target="_blank">+243 993810967</a><br></div><div>GPG: 523644A0<br></div><div>Goma, Democratic Republic of Congo<br></div><div><br></div><div>Sent from my iPhone (excuse typos)<br></div></div><div><div><br></div><div>On Oct 21, 2017, at 5:44 PM, Nick Shorey <<a href="mailto:lists@nickshorey.com" target="_blank">lists@NICKSHOREY.COM</a>> wrote:<br></div><div><br></div></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div dir="ltr"><div>Hi Ayden, <br></div><div><br></div><div>My question was whether the draft document was circulated to the NCSG list for comment prior to finalisation.<br></div><div>Can you confirm if this was the case?<br></div><div><br></div><div>Kind regards,<br></div><div><br></div><div>Nick<br></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><div><br></div><div><div class="m_6174472397995579874gmail-m_-6454537100551450190gmail-m_8926219953502118260m_2155497207202985404gmail-m_6450821991483038391gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><b>Nick Shorey</b> <br></div><div>Phone: <a href="tel:+44%207552%20455988" value="+447552455988" target="_blank"> +44 (0) 7552 455 988</a><br></div><div>Email: <a href="mailto:lists@nickshorey.com" target="_blank">lists@nickshorey.com</a><br></div><div>Skype: nick.shorey<br></div><div>Twitter: @nickshorey<br></div><div>LinkedIn: <a href="http://www.linkedin.com/in/nicklinkedin" target="_blank"> www.linkedin.com/in/nicklinked<wbr>in</a><br></div><div>Web: <a href="http://www.nickshorey.com" target="_blank">www.nickshorey.com</a><br></div></div></div></div></div></div><div><br></div><div class="gmail_quote"><div>On Sat, Oct 21, 2017 at 4:27 PM, Ayden Férdeline <span dir="ltr"> <<a href="mailto:icann@ferdeline.com" target="_blank">icann@ferdeline.com</a>></span> wrote:<br></div><div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div><div>Hi Nick,<br></div><div><br></div><div>As stated, the letter was prepared by the Policy Committee in accordance with our charter.<br></div><div><br></div><div>Regards, Ayden<br></div></div><div class="m_6174472397995579874gmail-m_-6454537100551450190gmail-m_8926219953502118260m_2155497207202985404gmail-m_6450821991483038391HOEnZb"><div class="m_6174472397995579874gmail-m_-6454537100551450190gmail-m_8926219953502118260m_2155497207202985404gmail-m_6450821991483038391h5"><div class="m_6174472397995579874gmail-m_-6454537100551450190gmail-m_8926219953502118260m_2155497207202985404gmail-m_6450821991483038391m_6638992781488536457protonmail_signature_block"><div class="m_6174472397995579874gmail-m_-6454537100551450190gmail-m_8926219953502118260m_2155497207202985404gmail-m_6450821991483038391m_6638992781488536457protonmail_signature_block-proton m_6174472397995579874gmail-m_-6454537100551450190gmail-m_8926219953502118260m_2155497207202985404gmail-m_6450821991483038391m_6638992781488536457protonmail_signature_block-empty"><br></div></div><div><br></div><blockquote class="m_6174472397995579874gmail-m_-6454537100551450190gmail-m_8926219953502118260m_2155497207202985404gmail-m_6450821991483038391m_6638992781488536457protonmail_quote" type="cite"><div>-------- Original Message --------<br></div><div>Subject: Re: Letter from NCSG PC to Swinehart, Atallah, Marby, and Crocker re: GDPR<br></div><div>Local Time: 21 October 2017 4:24 PM<br></div><div>UTC Time: 21 October 2017 15:24<br></div><div>From: <a href="mailto:lists@NICKSHOREY.COM" target="_blank">lists@NICKSHOREY.COM</a><br></div><div>To: <a href="mailto:NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU" target="_blank">NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU</a><br></div><div><br></div><div dir="ltr"><div>Hi Ayden,<br></div><div><br></div><div>Was a draft of this document circulated to the list for comment prior to finalisation and issuing to ICANN?<br></div><div><br></div><div>Kind regards,<br></div><div><br></div><div>Nick<br></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><div><br></div><div><div class="m_6174472397995579874gmail-m_-6454537100551450190gmail-m_8926219953502118260m_2155497207202985404gmail-m_6450821991483038391m_6638992781488536457gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><b>Nick Shorey</b><br></div><div>Phone: <a href="tel:+44%207552%20455988" value="+447552455988" target="_blank"> +44 (0) 7552 455 988</a><br></div><div>Email: <a href="mailto:lists@nickshorey.com" target="_blank">lists@nickshorey.com</a><br></div><div>Skype: nick.shorey<br></div><div>Twitter: @nickshorey<br></div><div>LinkedIn: <a href="http://www.linkedin.com/in/nicklinkedin" target="_blank"> www.linkedin.com/in/nicklinked<wbr>in</a><br></div><div>Web: <a href="http://www.nickshorey.com" target="_blank">www.nickshorey.com</a><br></div></div></div></div></div></div><div><br></div><div class="gmail_quote"><div>On Sat, Oct 21, 2017 at 3:27 AM, Michael Karanicolas <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:mkaranicolas@gmail.com" target="_blank">mkaranicolas@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br></div><blockquote style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex" class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr"><div>Very well written letter, on a topic of importance. Thanks very much for sharing.<br></div><span class="m_6174472397995579874gmail-m_-6454537100551450190gmail-m_8926219953502118260m_2155497207202985404gmail-m_6450821991483038391m_6638992781488536457HOEnZb"><span style="color:rgb(136,136,136)" class="m_6174472397995579874gmail-m_-6454537100551450190gmail-m_8926219953502118260colour"><div><br></div><div>Michael<br></div></span></span></div><div class="m_6174472397995579874gmail-m_-6454537100551450190gmail-m_8926219953502118260m_2155497207202985404gmail-m_6450821991483038391m_6638992781488536457HOEnZb"><div class="m_6174472397995579874gmail-m_-6454537100551450190gmail-m_8926219953502118260m_2155497207202985404gmail-m_6450821991483038391m_6638992781488536457h5"><div class="gmail_extra"><div><br></div><div class="gmail_quote"><div>On Fri, Oct 20, 2017 at 6:51 PM, Ayden Férdeline <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:icann@ferdeline.com" target="_blank">icann@ferdeline.com</a>></span> wrote:<br></div><blockquote style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex" class="gmail_quote"><div>Hi all,<br></div><div><br></div><div>The Policy Committee circulated a letter yesterday to senior ICANN management and to the Chair of the Board outlining our disappointment in how we are being marginalised in conversations surrounding ICANN's compliance (or lack thereof) with European data
protection law.<br></div><div><br></div><div>The gist of our comment was that as active participants in the ICANN multistakeholder community, we want to participate in the policymaking process, and we would like both to see and to help ICANN come into compliance with data protection law.<br></div><div><br></div><div>I have attached a copy of the <a href="https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/correspondence/dammak-to-swinehart-atallah-19oct17-en.pdf" title="letter" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"> letter</a> that the Chair of the Policy Committee sent. This letter was a collaborative effort generated in accordance with our charter, and followed conversations on our Policy Calls where we discussed sending official correspondence to ICANN leadership on
this matter. You will be kept updated if a response is received.<br></div><div><br></div><div>Best wishes,<br></div><div><br></div><div class="m_6174472397995579874gmail-m_-6454537100551450190gmail-m_8926219953502118260m_2155497207202985404gmail-m_6450821991483038391m_6638992781488536457m_5176465125111874100m_6849935295702366310protonmail_signature_block"><div class="m_6174472397995579874gmail-m_-6454537100551450190gmail-m_8926219953502118260m_2155497207202985404gmail-m_6450821991483038391m_6638992781488536457m_5176465125111874100m_6849935295702366310protonmail_signature_block-user"><div>Ayden Férdeline<br></div><div><a href="http://www.linkedin.com/in/ferdeline" rel="nofollow" title="http://www.linkedin.com/in/ferdeline" target="_blank">linkedin.com/in/ferdeline</a><br></div></div><div class="m_6174472397995579874gmail-m_-6454537100551450190gmail-m_8926219953502118260m_2155497207202985404gmail-m_6450821991483038391m_6638992781488536457m_5176465125111874100m_6849935295702366310protonmail_signature_block-proton m_6174472397995579874gmail-m_-6454537100551450190gmail-m_8926219953502118260m_2155497207202985404gmail-m_6450821991483038391m_6638992781488536457m_5176465125111874100m_6849935295702366310protonmail_signature_block-empty"><br></div></div><div><br></div></blockquote></div></div></div></div></blockquote></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div></div></div></blockquote></div></div></div></blockquote></div></div></div></div></blockquote></div></div></div></div></blockquote></div></div></div></blockquote></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div></blockquote></div><br></div></div></div>