<div dir="ltr">Dear all,<div><br></div><div>As Nick stated and for the sake of transparency we should always circulate such an information to the list prior to any further action that will engage the SG. However, I am sure that was a matter ot time trade-off for this case in order to quickly run an action ("vis-à vis" of deadlines). </div><div><br></div><div>Nick, unfortunately, many people on the list use often to not reply nor contribute to policy discussions while showing up to complain and fight others. This tends (personal opinion) to not encourage people working in the PC. That needs also to be corrected. Finalizing our operating procedures will set up all the necessary guidances, I am sure.</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr">Le mar. 24 oct. 2017 à 14:57, Nick Shorey <<a href="mailto:lists@nickshorey.com">lists@nickshorey.com</a>> a écrit :<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">Hi Rafik,<div><br></div><div>Thanks for the clarification. It is therefore m<span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">y observation is that the process in this instance was actually inconsistent with the charter, namely:</span></div><div><br></div><div><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif" color="#000000"><i>"<b>2.7.7 Participation Rights</b></i></font></div><div><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif" color="#000000"><i> The NCSG Membership shall have the following participation rights in regard to the administration and policy development processes of the Stakeholder Group"</i></font></div><div><i><br></i></div><div><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif" color="#000000"><i>4. Be given timely notice of all position papers developed by the NCSG on the public NCSG email list and afforded an opportunity to comment on them;"</i><br></font></div><div><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif" color="#000000"><br></font></div><div><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif" color="#000000">and:</font></div><div><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif" color="#000000"><br></font></div><div><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif" color="#000000"><i>"<b>2.5 The Policy Committee</b></i></font></div><div><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif" color="#000000"><i>The NCSG Policy Committee is responsible for:</i></font></div><div><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif" color="#000000"><i><br></i></font></div><div><font color="#000000" face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif"><i>- Discussion and development of substantive policies issued in the name of the NCSG. This activity will require coordination with the membership and constituencies;"</i></font></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">I also recall expressing my concern to the sending of a letter during the call on 10th October, so would have welcomed the opportunity to review any draft letter and support, abstain or formalise my objections for it was sent.</span></div><div><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><br></span></div><div><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">I therefore welcome the ideas expressed in Rafik's email of 8 August for the development of detailed operating procedures setting out the </span><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">working processes for the Policy Committee, and agree with Milton that as part of these should be the requirement that all statements from the PC should be run through the main list beforehand. </span><br></div><div><br></div><div><font color="#000000">Kind regards,</font></div><div><font color="#000000"><br></font></div><div><font color="#000000">Nick</font></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br clear="all"><div><div class="m_5338734029870740627gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><b>Nick Shorey</b><div>Phone: <a href="tel:+44%207552%20455988" value="+447552455988" target="_blank">+44 (0) 7552 455 988</a></div><div>Email: <a href="mailto:lists@nickshorey.com" target="_blank">lists@nickshorey.com</a></div><div>Skype: nick.shorey</div><div>Twitter: @nickshorey</div><div>LinkedIn: <a href="http://www.linkedin.com/in/nicklinkedin" target="_blank">www.linkedin.com/in/nicklinkedin</a></div><div>Web: <a href="http://www.nickshorey.com" target="_blank">www.nickshorey.com</a></div></div></div></div></div></div>
<br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Oct 24, 2017 at 1:49 PM, Mueller, Milton L <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:milton@gatech.edu" target="_blank">milton@gatech.edu</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<div>Statements from the PC should always be run through the main list. <span class="m_5338734029870740627HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br>
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On Oct 21, 2017, at 21:12, Rafik Dammak <<a href="mailto:rafik.dammak@GMAIL.COM" target="_blank">rafik.dammak@GMAIL.COM</a>> wrote:<br>
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<div>yes, it is the current NCSG charter. </div>
<div>we don't have operating procedures yet on that matter. We started working on those procedures a few months ago with a small drafting team in order to get clear processes (<a href="https://lists.ncsg.is/pipermail/ncsg-pc/2017-August/000796.html" target="_blank">https://lists.ncsg.is/pipermail/ncsg-pc/2017-August/000796.html</a>)
and avoid ad-hoc approach.</div>
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<div>Thanks for the clarification.</div>
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<div>Can you (or anyone else) confirm whether V5 (May 2011) is the current NSCG Charter?</div>
<div>Link: <a href="https://community.icann.org/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=38046240&exitMobile=true" target="_blank">https://community.icann.org/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=38046240&exitMobile=true</a></div>
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<div>In addition to the NCSG charter, are there any other documents / operating procedures that further detail how the Policy Committee operates?</div>
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<div>Kind regards,</div>
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On 21 Oct 2017, at 18:39, Arsène Tungali <<a href="mailto:arsenebaguma@gmail.com" target="_blank">arsenebaguma@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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<div id="m_5338734029870740627m_2155497207202985404gmail-m_6450821991483038391AppleMailSignature">As said by Ayden, the letter was drafter, discussed and agreed upon by our Policy Committee. It was not shared to the NCSG list.</div>
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<div id="m_5338734029870740627m_2155497207202985404gmail-m_6450821991483038391AppleMailSignature">Regards,</div>
<div id="m_5338734029870740627m_2155497207202985404gmail-m_6450821991483038391AppleMailSignature">Arsene<br>
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<div>Arsène Tungali,</div>
<div><a href="http://about.me/ArseneTungali" target="_blank">about.me/ArseneTungali</a></div>
<div><a href="tel:+243%20993%20810%20967" value="+243993810967" target="_blank">+243 993810967</a></div>
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On Oct 21, 2017, at 5:44 PM, Nick Shorey <<a href="mailto:lists@nickshorey.com" target="_blank">lists@NICKSHOREY.COM</a>> wrote:<br>
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<div>My question was whether the draft document was circulated to the NCSG list for comment prior to finalisation.</div>
<div>Can you confirm if this was the case?</div>
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+44 (0) 7552 455 988</a></div>
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As stated, the letter was prepared by the Policy Committee in accordance with our charter.<br>
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<div>Subject: Re: Letter from NCSG PC to Swinehart, Atallah, Marby, and Crocker re: GDPR<br>
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<div>Local Time: 21 October 2017 4:24 PM<br>
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<div>Was a draft of this document circulated to the list for comment prior to finalisation and issuing to ICANN?<br>
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<div><b>Nick Shorey</b><br>
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<div>Phone: <a href="tel:+44%207552%20455988" value="+447552455988" target="_blank">
+44 (0) 7552 455 988</a><br>
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<div>The Policy Committee circulated a letter yesterday to senior ICANN management and to the Chair of the Board outlining our disappointment in how we are being marginalised in conversations surrounding ICANN's compliance (or lack thereof) with European data
protection law.<br>
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<div>The gist of our comment was that as active participants in the ICANN multistakeholder community, we want to participate in the policymaking process, and we would like both to see and to help ICANN come into compliance with data protection law.<br>
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<div>I have attached a copy of the <a href="https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/correspondence/dammak-to-swinehart-atallah-19oct17-en.pdf" title="letter" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">
letter</a> that the Chair of the Policy Committee sent. This letter was a collaborative effort generated in accordance with our charter, and followed conversations on our Policy Calls where we discussed sending official correspondence to ICANN leadership on
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