<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class="">On this one i think it makes loads of sense. The word “Equality” is the very right word. Equality -equal footage it is not about getting more it is merely what i call respect for everyone on an equal view. So i agree on this with you. This seems to have been many minds and talks as well. Putting that issue as Equality is the right word.<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">+1 <br class=""><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Oct 4, 2017, at 00:23, Mueller, Milton L <<a href="mailto:milton@GATECH.EDU" class="">milton@GATECH.EDU</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div class="WordSection1" style="page: WordSection1; font-family: Helvetica-Light; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;"><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class="">Raoul<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class="">I agree that NCSG should have the same number of seats as CSG.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class="">However, I don’t believe these seats should be selected by constituencies any more. (That is one reason why CSG has more seats, they have 3 constituencies and we have two). I think the NCSG as a whole should select two Nomcom seats, and that CSG should also only have two.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class="">I think it would be a mistake to add just one seat, based on a constituency. It should be equality amongst SGs (stakeholder groups) instead.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class="">Dr. Milton Mueller<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class="">Professor, School of Public Policy<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class="">Georgia Institute of Technology<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><a href="http://www.internetgovernance.org/" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); text-decoration: none;" class=""><span id="cid:image002.jpg@01D33C63.FE092F40"><image002.jpg></span></span></a><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div><div style="border-style: none none none solid; border-left-width: 1.5pt; border-left-color: blue; padding: 0in 0in 0in 4pt;" class=""><div class=""><div style="border-style: solid none none; border-top-width: 1pt; border-top-color: rgb(225, 225, 225); padding: 3pt 0in 0in;" class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><b class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">From:</span></b><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>NCSG-Discuss [<a href="mailto:NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU" class="">mailto:NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU</a>]<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b class="">On Behalf Of<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Raoul Plommer<br class=""><b class="">Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Monday, October 2, 2017 7:08 AM<br class=""><b class="">To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU" class="">NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU</a><br class=""><b class="">Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: Questions to the Board in ICANN60<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class="">Argh. Now I know why BSG looked unfamiliar :P<br class=""><br class="">I think it's pretty much the optimal time to try and push another seat for us while the review is still going on. Soon they'll be telling us to wait for ANOTHER review...<br class=""><br class="">Sorry for the terrible inaccuracies and you're absolutely right that the CSG has only three consituencies. That doesn't make my point worse in spirit though, to the contrary: They're getting 4 for 3, whereas we're getting 1 for 2. I know that we can phrase this better, unless somebody comes up with AN ACTUAL QUESTION. :)<br class=""><br class="">-Raoul<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class="">On 2 October 2017 at 13:48, Tapani Tarvainen <<a href="mailto:ncsg@tapani.tarvainen.info" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">ncsg@tapani.tarvainen.info</a>> wrote:<o:p class=""></o:p></div><blockquote style="border-style: none none none solid; border-left-width: 1pt; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); padding: 0in 0in 0in 6pt; margin-left: 4.8pt; margin-right: 0in;" class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class="">Hi Raoul,<br class=""><br class="">Thank you for the suggestion.<br class=""><br class="">Actually there is no such things as BSG in ICANN, the<br class="">rule is that NCUC, IPC and ISPC each get one and BC<br class="">gets two slots, while NPOC gets none.<br class=""><br class="">So CSG actually gets four slots for three constituencies<br class="">and NCSG gets one for its two constituencies.<br class=""><br class="">From NCSG point of view the proper thing would be<br class="">for CSG and NCSG each have three, but at the very<br class="">least NPOC should have one, too.<br class=""><br class="">I'm not sure this is optimal time to ask this question,<br class="">I suspect they'd just reply "wait until next review",<br class="">but reminding them of the issue would not hurt, so I<br class="">guess we can ask this if we have no more urgent<br class="">questions at hand.<br class=""><br class="">Tapani<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><br class="">On Oct 02 12:52, Raoul Plommer (<a href="mailto:plommer@GMAIL.COM" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">plommer@GMAIL.COM</a>) wrote:<br class=""><br class="">> Since there seems to be a lack of questions, I'll have a go:<br class="">><br class="">> The board can help in changing the clear imbalance of the NomCom seats<br class="">> within the GNSO, where the CSG has four seats with only one for the NCSG.<br class="">> In other words, the BSG has a seat in the NomCom representing each of its<br class="">> four constituencies but the NCSG is not allowed even that, abeit it has<br class="">> only two constituencies. How could the board help in resolving this<br class="">> grievance that has been outstanding for far too long now?<br class="">><br class="">> ...or something along those lines.<br class="">><br class="">> -Raoul<br class="">><br class="">> On 2 October 2017 at 09:10, Tapani Tarvainen <<a href="mailto:ncsg@tapani.tarvainen.info" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">ncsg@tapani.tarvainen.info</a>><br class="">> wrote:<br class="">><br class="">> > Dear all,<br class="">> ><br class="">> > We missed the deadline but let's try not to miss it by too much.<br class="">> ><br class="">> > As Kathy observed it was earlier than before, and apparently we're<br class="">> > not the only ones to miss the deadline even though many did not.<br class="">> ><br class="">> > But so far I've got only one question (from Ayden):<br class="">> ><br class="">> > "How is the Board monitoring the performance of the Office of the<br class="">> > Ombudsman to ensure that harassment complaints filed are being<br class="">> > appropriately handled?"<br class="">> ><br class="">> > If I've missed some please remind me.<br class="">> ><br class="">> > In any case, we were asked to give them two questions. Surely there's<br class="">> > something else we want to ask them, too. Any suggestions would be<br class="">> > welcome.<br class="">> ><br class="">> > --<br class="">> > Tapani Tarvainen<br class="">> ><br class="">> > On Thu, Sep 28, 2017 at 03:39:16PM -0400, Kathy Kleiman (<br class="">> ><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:kathy@kathykleiman.com" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">kathy@kathykleiman.com</a>) wrote:<br class="">> > ><br class="">> > > Hi Tapani,<br class="">> > ><br class="">> > > Isn't this weeks earlier than usual? Many Working Groups, subteams,<br class="">> > > programs and other ICANN-related groups are holding meeting this week and<br class="">> > > many of us are jumping call to call. If we are the last of the great<br class="">> > > volunteers in the ICANN system (as so many others are now paid for their<br class="">> > > participation), let's ask for a bit more time to allow us time to<br class="">> > think...<br class="">> > > and plan.<br class="">> > ><br class="">> > > Best, Kathy<br class="">> > ><br class="">> > ><br class="">> > > On 9/28/2017 9:55 AM, Tapani Tarvainen wrote:<br class="">> > > > Reminder,<br class="">> > > ><br class="">> > > > Deadline for these questions is tomorrow.<br class="">> > > ><br class="">> > > > Tapani<br class="">> > > ><br class="">> > > > On Sat, Sep 02, 2017 at 06:38:58AM -0400, Ayden Férdeline (<br class="">> ><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:icann@ferdeline.com" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">icann@ferdeline.com</a>) wrote:<br class="">> > > > > Dear Tapani, all-<br class="">> > > > ><br class="">> > > > > Just over a year has passed since a complaint of harrassment was<br class="">> > reported to ICANN during the Marrakech meeting. Since then, the response<br class="">> > has included the adoption of a new community anti-harrassment policy and<br class="">> > amendments to the Expected Standards of Behaviour.<br class="">> > > > ><br class="">> > > > > I am curious to hear from the Board as to how satisfied they are<br class="">> > with the effectiveness of these measures, particularly in those instances<br class="">> > where complaints have been filed with the Office of the Ombudsman, as the<br class="">> > complaints procedure outlines. As the Board may recall, community opinions<br class="">> > differed over whether the Ombudsman was best placed to deal with such<br class="">> > complaints, with some thinking that a committee of trained human resource<br class="">> > professionals would be better positioned to examine cases, provide<br class="">> > determination, and, where necessary, call for remedial action.<br class="">> > > > ><br class="">> > > > > My question is thus, how is the Board monitoring the performance of<br class="">> > the Office of the Ombudsman to ensure that harassment complaints filed are<br class="">> > being appropriately handled? Thank you.<br class="">> > > > ><br class="">> > > > > Best wishes,<br class="">> > > > ><br class="">> > > > > Ayden Férdeline<br class="">> > > > > [<a href="http://linkedin.com/in/ferdeline%5d(http:/www.linkedin.com/in/ferdeline)" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">linkedin.com/in/ferdeline](http://www.linkedin.com/in/ferdeline)</a><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class="">> > <<a href="http://linkedin.com/in/ferdeline%5D(http:/www.linkedin.com/in/ferdeline)" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">http://linkedin.com/in/ferdeline%5D(http://www.linkedin.com/in/ferdeline)</a>><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class=""><div class=""><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 12pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;">> > > > ><br class="">> > > > > > -------- Original Message --------<br class="">> > > > > > Subject: Questions to the Board in ICANN60<br class="">> > > > > > Local Time: 1 September 2017 7:55 PM<br class="">> > > > > > UTC Time: 1 September 2017 18:55<br class="">> > > > > > From:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:ncsg@TAPANI.TARVAINEN.INFO" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">ncsg@TAPANI.TARVAINEN.INFO</a><br class="">> > > > > > To:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU</a><br class="">> > > > > ><br class="">> > > > > > Dear all,<br class="">> > > > > ><br class="">> > > > > > As usual we"ll be meeting with the Board in Abu Dhabi, and they"ve<br class="">> > > > > > asked us to submit two (2) questions for them as soon as possible<br class="">> > but<br class="">> > > > > > no later than 29 September.<br class="">> > > > > ><br class="">> > > > > > Suggestions would be appreciated.<br class="">> > > > > ><br class="">> > > > > > (The Board will also ask us questions. I"ll post them separately<br class="">> > > > > > as soon as they"re finalized.)<br class="">> > > > > ><br class="">> > > > > > --<br class="">> > > > > > Tapani Tarvainen<br class="">> ><o:p class=""></o:p></p></div></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><span class="hoenzb"><span style="color: rgb(136, 136, 136);" class="">--</span></span><span style="color: rgb(136, 136, 136);" class=""><br class=""><span class="hoenzb">Tapani Tarvainen</span></span></div></blockquote></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote></div><br class=""><div class="">
<div dir="auto" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><div dir="auto" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><div dir="auto" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><div dir="auto" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><br class=""></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><br class=""></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class="">Kris Seeburn</div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><a href="mailto:seeburn.k@gmail.com" class="">seeburn.k@gmail.com</a></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><ul style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px 0px 8px; border: 0px; outline: 0px; font-family: Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; vertical-align: baseline; list-style: none; line-height: 17px; display: table-cell; width: 504px; color: rgb(51, 51, 51);" class=""><li style="margin: 0px; padding: 8px 12px 2px 0px; border: 0px; outline: 0px; font-style: inherit; font-size: 11px; font-family: inherit; vertical-align: baseline; font-variant-ligatures: inherit; font-variant-position: inherit; font-variant-caps: inherit; font-variant-numeric: inherit; font-variant-alternates: inherit; font-variant-east-asian: inherit; line-height: 1.2em;" class=""><dl class="public-profile" style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px; border: 0px; outline: 0px; font-style: inherit; font-family: inherit; vertical-align: baseline; font-variant-ligatures: inherit; font-variant-position: inherit; font-variant-caps: inherit; font-variant-numeric: inherit; font-variant-alternates: inherit; font-variant-east-asian: inherit; line-height: inherit; word-wrap: break-word;"><dd style="margin: 0px; padding: 2px 9px 1px 0px; border: 0px; outline: 0px; font-style: inherit; font-family: inherit; vertical-align: top; font-variant-ligatures: inherit; font-variant-position: inherit; font-variant-caps: inherit; font-variant-numeric: inherit; font-variant-alternates: inherit; font-variant-east-asian: inherit; line-height: inherit; display: inline-block; zoom: 1;" class=""><a href="http://www.linkedin.com/in/kseeburn/" title="View public profile" name="webProfileURL" style="margin: 0px 10px 0px 0px; padding: 0px 0px 0px 19px; border: 0px; outline: 0px; font-style: inherit; font-family: inherit; vertical-align: middle; text-decoration: none; color: rgb(102, 102, 102); font-variant-ligatures: inherit; font-variant-position: inherit; font-variant-caps: inherit; font-variant-numeric: inherit; font-variant-alternates: inherit; font-variant-east-asian: inherit; line-height: inherit; display: inline-block; zoom: 1; background-image: url(http://s.c.lnkd.licdn.com/scds/common/u/images/apps/profile/sprite/sprite_profile_top_card_v8.png); background-position: 0px -249px; background-repeat: no-repeat no-repeat;" class="">www.linkedin.com/in/kseeburn/</a></dd></dl></li></ul></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;"><span><span><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><span><img apple-inline="yes" id="AAAC40BE-E7F2-4FD4-8C2D-EDDB60E93D39" src="cid:2B3C052F-D6B4-4773-9116-D703ACE1C1A9" class=""></span>
</span></span></span></div>
<br class=""></div></body></html>