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<p><font size="+1"><font face="Lucida Grande">This is a great point
Baudouin. I raised the matter of accrediting those who
purport to be working on cybercrime or investigations on the
RDS discussion a while ago, and got pretty well
attacked....but I stick to my guns. If a person or group is a
legitimate contractor working on cybercrime, or a law enforcement
body, they should have some kind of official recognition in
order to get the detailed personal information they want. Why
should a reseller be forced to accept some stranger's word for
who they are? Accreditation is a two way street....</font></font></p>
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<div dir="ltr">Indeed, Kris, I agree with you on this point. You
have just awakened my attention by this observation. At the
local level, this could enable us to solve the problems of
registrars not accredited and who abound in the country at the
risk of deliveries the personal data to any person pretending to
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<div>To the point….but i guess since the CDPO has been
appointed he would need to look and be able to advise on
public view of data in the whois for example. I am sure
we need the correct and validated details of anyone who
registers to have them on Data base but some information
coming from special request like authorities needs a
different access. Based on who and what the subject of
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<div>You have valid points which everyone must come to a
middle ground to succeed Privacy laws and certainly GDPR
is going to affect many dealings with EU be it online or
cloud.The challenges are gona need to happen not only
within the groups but affects ICANN directly. </div>
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<div>But looks like stephanie has provided some more
background. The bigger question is that whatever happens
we all need to tie down to GDPR else no business at all
and no safe harbor. </div>
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<div>My acid test here is to see what the new Chief brings
in. He should be able to look at everything and have
guidelines for all groups and for ICANN as well. </div>
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<div>On Jul 31, 2017, at 4:24 PM, Ade Bo <<a
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<div>Has anyone thought how are these changes
going to influence cybercrime? </div>
<div>How much harder is it going to be to find
information necessary to prosecute someone?</div>
<div>We are thinking of protecting privacy but
isn’t there nothing contradicting that ?</div>
<div>I believe these matter should be looked
at from all the stakeholders perspective.</div>
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<div dir="ltr">I agree too Stephanie,
excellent points David.
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<div>Would anyone support us as the
NCSG requesting a formal response
to David's points (and a formal
explanation as to the motivation
behind Mr. Halloran's
appointment)?</div>
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Jul 31, 2017 at 1:51 PM,
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totally agree David,
and as someone who
last worked in risk
management, if I
were the CEO looking
at this mess right
now I would be
asking hard
questions of the
people who have
advised the Board to
just ignore the data
protection
commissioners for
the past 17 years.
First position paper
on WHOIS being
illegal was in
2000. Makes a heck
of an easy case to
take to Court....</font></font></p>
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2017-07-31 03:33,
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type="cite"> I admit
I find this
development
disappointing.
<div>While it is a
sign (along with
the GDPR task
force established
at the last
meeting) that
ICANN has finally
understood the
significance of
its downplaying
and avoidance of
the GDPR and other
international data
protection law
over the last few
years, it is
disappointing
that:</div>
<div> a) ICANN is
still not taking
the issue that
seriously, as it
is in addition to
existing Deputy
General Counsel
duties, so
represents a
limited allocation
of resources to
the issue; </div>
<div>b) is a missed
opportunity to
bring additional
experience and
expertise into the
organisation,
expertise ICANN
desperately needs
(and is currently
relying on its
volunteers to
provide);</div>
<div>c) is
continuing to the
have the issue
managed by the
same team whose
denial and
obstinate
avoidance of the
issue has led to
the organisation
now facing a
crisis;</div>
<div>d) continues a
pattern of having
ICANN legal be put
in charge of areas
where it is
largely
responsible for
continued
organisation
dysfunction, so
effectively being
given the
opportunity to
manage criticism
but not given any
strong inventive
to admit to past
mistakes. . </div>
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<div>On 29 Jul
2017, at 3:32
am, Ayden
Férdeline <<a
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<div>ICANN has
now <a
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title="appointed someone" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">appointed
someone</a> to
the role of
"Chief Data
Protection
Officer". Daniel
Halloran, who
in his bio is
described as
"one of
ICANN's longest-serving
employees" and
reports
directly to
John Jeffrey,
does not list
his experience
in
establishing
privacy
frameworks nor
their
associated
compliance
structures in
his bio. That
said, I
wish him all
the best in
this new role
and look
forward to
seeing how
ICANN's
understanding
of data
protection law
evolves over
the coming
months now
that this
position has
been
created...<br>
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Férdeline <br>
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