<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><div class="">I guess it might make sense to focus a group on pure Internet Governance that not only focus on Internet Governance but work in that line with IGF and OECD etc., perhaps with with what read from the thread. It seems ICANN is not doing enough. I do teach Internet Governance and i also have done the ISOC and Diplo courses on IG. IN a way i may agree that the need for IG is a must for all members. I am sure many lose track of the history or future and each group is focussing mainly on their areas.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Am not sure we propose to change the charter of the CCWG-IG or we create a new one with a pure focus on IG. Would the board accept such an intention? </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">SO i would like to say sorry for my ignorance but that is true we do need to appraise members on IG in a proper way not the IGF way.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">But i rest my thoughts here to see what others suggest. This is just my thinking process following the thread. But there are other things that the accountability group needs to pversee but thats another story.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Kris</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><br class=""><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Jul 14, 2017, at 12:50 PM, Olévié Kouami <<a href="mailto:olivierkouami@gmail.com" class="">olivierkouami@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><p dir="ltr" class="">... Hi all.<br class="">
Because we all are part of the IG. So a CCWG is necessary inside ICANN ecosystem.<br class="">
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<div class="gmail_quote">Le 14 juil. 2017 08:43, a écrit :<br type="attribution" class=""><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><p dir="ltr" class="">Yes, we want.</p>
<div class="gmail_quote">Le 14 juil. 2017 06:48, "Michael Oghia" <<a href="mailto:mike.oghia@gmail.com" target="_blank" class="">mike.oghia@gmail.com</a>> a écrit :<br type="attribution" class=""><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr" class="">Hi everyone, <div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Forgive my belated reply. I largely agree with everything that has been said so far. I consider myself an active member of the CCWG-IG because I see the value of its work, but I'm not wedded to the current structure. It would be good to continue having such a space within ICANN, especially because I see myself being less involved in the domain space per se in the future but still seeing the value of what ICANN contributes to the ecosystem as a whole. </div><div class="gmail_extra"><br clear="all" class=""><div class=""><div class="m_-502132620243471975m_3311872685173074596gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class=""><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif" size="2" class="">Best,</font></div><div class=""><font size="2" face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif" class="">-Michael<br class=""></font></div><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""></div></div></div>
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<br class=""><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Jul 4, 2017 at 4:43 PM, Ayden Férdeline <span dir="ltr" class=""><<a href="mailto:icann@ferdeline.com" target="_blank" class="">icann@ferdeline.com</a>></span> wrote:<br class=""><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div class="">Thanks Rafik, my impression as an outsider looking in at the ICANN Twitter account is that the organisation sponsors many events, many of which have only a loose connection to ICANN's mission. This is not to suggest that ICANN should not sponsor these events, but I would like to see a list of which events are being sponsored by ICANN, whether the support is in kind or in cash, and which staff are traveling to these fora and for what purpose. If the CCWG-IG is not place for this to happen, I wonder where might be?<br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="m_-502132620243471975m_3311872685173074596m_-8544371028825057023protonmail_signature_block"><div class="m_-502132620243471975m_3311872685173074596m_-8544371028825057023protonmail_signature_block-user"><div class="">Best wishes, Ayden Férdeline <br class=""></div></div><div class="m_-502132620243471975m_3311872685173074596m_-8544371028825057023protonmail_signature_block-empty m_-502132620243471975m_3311872685173074596m_-8544371028825057023protonmail_signature_block-proton"><br class=""></div></div><div class="m_-502132620243471975m_3311872685173074596HOEnZb"><div class="m_-502132620243471975m_3311872685173074596h5"><div class=""><br class=""></div><blockquote type="cite" class="m_-502132620243471975m_3311872685173074596m_-8544371028825057023protonmail_quote"><div class="">-------- Original Message --------<br class=""></div><div class="">Subject: Re: [NCSG-Discuss] CCWG-IG/ Do we want a CCWG on Internet Governance?<br class=""></div><div class="">Local Time: July 4, 2017 12:50 PM<br class=""></div><div class="">UTC Time: July 4, 2017 11:50 AM<br class=""></div><div class="">From: <a href="mailto:rafik.dammak@gmail.com" target="_blank" class="">rafik.dammak@gmail.com</a><br class=""></div><div class="">To: Ayden Férdeline <<a href="mailto:icann@ferdeline.com" target="_blank" class="">icann@ferdeline.com</a>><br class=""></div><div class=""><a href="mailto:NCSG-DISCUSS@listserv.syr.edu" target="_blank" class="">NCSG-DISCUSS@listserv.syr.edu</a> <<a href="mailto:NCSG-DISCUSS@listserv.syr.edu" target="_blank" class="">NCSG-DISCUSS@listserv.syr.edu</a><wbr class="">><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class="gmail_extra">Hi Ayden,<br class=""></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br class=""></div><div class="gmail_extra">the CCWG-IG works closely with the Government engagement team from ICANN, which is under Tarek Kamel responsibility. it is the team which submits all comments, input to different IG related processes like CSTD, OECD etc and tasked to handle IG related issues for ICANN. <br class=""></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br class=""></div><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="">my understanding that sponsoring and supporting different events you are mentioning are done by other staff and departments such as Global Stakeholder Engagement division and they are not necessarily meant endorsing specific positions by the organization. I recall the Board working group on IG discussing ICANN financial support of IGF and national and regional IGFs and that is related indeed to IG. I am not sure that is the role of the CCWG-IG in overseeing ALL events supported or funded by ICANN<br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Best,<br class=""></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br class=""></div><div class="gmail_extra">Rafik<br class=""></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br class=""></div><div class="gmail_extra"><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="gmail_quote"><div class="">2017-07-02 2:08 GMT+09:00 Ayden Férdeline <span dir="ltr" class=""><<a rel="noreferrer nofollow noopener" href="mailto:icann@ferdeline.com" target="_blank" class="">icann@ferdeline.com</a>></span>:<br class=""></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div class=""><div class="">Thank you for this update, Farzaneh. I was struck by how few people attended the CCWG-IG’s meeting in Johannesburg last week, and by how little of substance was on the agenda. I am also on its mailing list and it seems to me to be excessively focused on submitting workshop proposals for the IGF and WSIS. Personally I would like to see more reporting back to the CCWG-IG by ICANN staff of their involvement in external fora, and more involvement of the CCWG-IG in holding ICANN staff accountable for what they are advocating for and doing outside ICANN. I do not think that happens to a sufficient level at the moment. Take a look at the ICANN Twitter account at how many events ICANN apparently sponsors, many of which seem to have little to no relevance to Internet governance, and look at the very few reports back to the community that ICANN staff provide. <br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Best wishes,<br class=""></div></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="m_-502132620243471975m_3311872685173074596m_-8544371028825057023m_-8439320575131116131protonmail_signature_block"><div class="m_-502132620243471975m_3311872685173074596m_-8544371028825057023m_-8439320575131116131protonmail_signature_block-user"><div class="">Ayden Férdeline<br class=""></div><div class=""><a rel="noreferrer nofollow noopener" title="http://www.linkedin.com/in/ferdeline" href="http://www.linkedin.com/in/ferdeline" target="_blank" class="">linkedin.com/in/ferdeline</a><br class=""></div></div><div class="m_-502132620243471975m_3311872685173074596m_-8544371028825057023m_-8439320575131116131protonmail_signature_block-empty m_-502132620243471975m_3311872685173074596m_-8544371028825057023m_-8439320575131116131protonmail_signature_block-proton"><br class=""></div></div><div class="m_-502132620243471975m_3311872685173074596m_-8544371028825057023HOEnZb"><div class="m_-502132620243471975m_3311872685173074596m_-8544371028825057023h5"><div class=""><br class=""></div><blockquote type="cite" class="m_-502132620243471975m_3311872685173074596m_-8544371028825057023m_-8439320575131116131protonmail_quote"><div class="">-------- Original Message --------<br class=""></div><div class="">Subject: CCWG-IG/ Do we want a CCWG on Internet Governance?<br class=""></div><div class="">Local Time: June 29, 2017 1:14 PM<br class=""></div><div class="">UTC Time: June 29, 2017 12:14 PM<br class=""></div><div class="">From: <a rel="noreferrer nofollow noopener" href="mailto:farzaneh.badii@GMAIL.COM" target="_blank" class="">farzaneh.badii@GMAIL.COM</a><br class=""></div><div class="">To: <a rel="noreferrer nofollow noopener" href="mailto:NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU" target="_blank" class="">NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU</a><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div dir="ltr" class=""><div style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif" class="">Dear all,<br class=""></div><div style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif" class=""><br class=""></div><div style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif" class="">As you know I am the NCSG rep on CCWG-IG. Here is an update on the status of CCWG-IG.<br class=""></div><div style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif" class=""><br class=""></div><div style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif" class="">As a background ( and Bill can correct me if I am not right) CCWG-IG was created a couple of years ago and has made statements on Netmundial and been active on raising awareness about IANA transition and ICANN accountability in the IG environment. People perceive its work as an awareness raising group which should bridge the gap between ICANN staff and Community regarding their IG related activities and also be mindful of statements from Intergovernmental organizations that might meddle with ICANN mandate.<br class=""></div><div style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif" class=""><br class=""></div><div style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif" class="">It usually organizes workshops at IGF, WSIS and other forums. ICANN staff has been very cooperative (especially Nigel Hickson) and are eager to work with the community for arranging such sessions. We also plan to be engaged with Board more.<br class=""></div><div style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif" class="">Find their report and charter: <a rel="noreferrer nofollow noopener" href="https://community.icann.org/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=43984275" target="_blank" class="">https://community.ica<wbr class="">nn.org/pages/viewpage.action?p<wbr class="">ageId=43984275</a><br class=""></div><div style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif" class=""><br class=""></div><div style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif" class="">There is, however, some controversy going on. Some groups are not happy with the work of ccwg-ig. Even after ccwg modified its charter to streamline its activities and its objectives, they still believe that CCWG might not be the right format for such activities. Some believe that CCWG-IG receives funding for its travel to various IG venues, which is not true. There is no funding for travel allocated to CCWG-IG. <br class=""></div><div style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif" class=""><br class=""></div><div style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif" class="">It has gotten to a point that we should now consult with our communities about whether CCWG-IG should continue its work and under what circumstances it should do so.<br class=""></div><div style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif" class=""><br class=""></div><div style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif" class="">Lets have a conversation about it here and I will compile your comments and relay them to the group.<br class=""></div><div style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif" class=""><br class=""></div><div style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif" class="">My opinion is that, CCWG-IG's members and participants should be active and should relay the work to their respective community. In many instances, when it comes to writing proposals and statements, very few people engage with activities. I think that has to be corrected. But I don't know how. <br class=""></div><div style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif" class=""><br class=""></div><div style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif" class="">Best <br class=""></div><div style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif" class=""><br class=""></div><div style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif" class=""><br class=""></div><div style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif" class=""><br class=""></div><div style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif" class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><div class="m_-502132620243471975m_3311872685173074596m_-8544371028825057023m_-8439320575131116131gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class=""><span style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif" class="m_-502132620243471975m_3311872685173074596m_-8544371028825057023font">Farzaneh</span><br class=""></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div class=""><br class=""></div></div></div></blockquote></div></div></div></blockquote><div class=""><br class=""></div></div></div></blockquote></div><br class=""></div></div>
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