<div dir="auto"><div><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote" dir="auto">Thanks Million, a few comments inline</div><div class="gmail_quote" dir="auto"><br></div><div class="gmail_quote">On Jul 5, 2017 7:06 PM, "Mueller, Milton L" <<a href="mailto:milton@gatech.edu">milton@gatech.edu</a>> wrote:<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Seun Ojedeji<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Saturday, July 1, 2017 3:07 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU" target="_blank">NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: two letter domain names and GAC<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Interesting that this is generalised as "pronounce" but it seem to me that they are specific on the respective 2 letter (and 3 letters) country codes, and one may argue that there seem to be a logic to that regard.<span style="color:#1f497d"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">Seun. Really. Has it occurred to you that some country codes are the same as pronouns? Like [it] for example? Or the same as other simple words, like [be]?</span></p></div></div></blockquote></div></div></div><div dir="auto">SO: Yes that's right but your use of the word "some" actually makes my point. It's better we stick with the main issue and not generalise on all pronouns because their request IMO seem specific enough.</div><div dir="auto"><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div lang="EN-US" link="blue" vlink="purple"><div class="m_-2240959963187864455WordSection1"><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">We have been debating this issue for two decades now. We should know how to handle it. Some names have legitimate concurrent uses. It’s time to resist greedy
claims based on discredited rationales. No party – be it governments, trademark holders, intergovernmental organizations, or anyone else – can claim ownership of generic terms, initials, and pronouns in the ENTIRE domain name space simply because the letters
happen to correspond to an identifier they have used in another context.</span></p></div></div></blockquote></div></div></div><div dir="auto">SO: Well so much complications has been introduced in the domain world already that makes minimal consideration for order an unreasonable thing. I certainly don't see why a .<a href="http://ng.com">ng.com</a> should be allowed to exist when there is a .com.ng. Some have said it's innovative, but I don't think that is innovation, that is confusion staring at our face, that is unhealthy competition between the CCs and the Gs and that IMO is "somewhat" act of greed on the side of the Gs.</div><div dir="auto"><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div lang="EN-US" link="blue" vlink="purple"><div class="m_-2240959963187864455WordSection1"><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d"> <u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">NCUC’s position on this is, and should be, clear to all: we oppose unjustified land grabs in the domain name space, so that end users and noncommercial users
have a legitimate chance (not a guarantee) to use names they want.</span></p></div></div></blockquote></div></div></div><div dir="auto">SO: You know we do a lot of things in the name of end-users. To claim that end users are the main beneficiary here eludes me. However I will not make attempt to change an NCUC position (since it seem it's a done deal?). One question that always come to my mind is who is land grabbing here; the one that cannot find any other pronoun/string to use but then goes for country codes or the one that says don't use our country codes.</div><div dir="auto"><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div lang="EN-US" link="blue" vlink="purple"><div class="m_-2240959963187864455WordSection1"><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d"> <u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">There is a clear way to resolve these concurrent use conflicts, and it is through ex post (not ex ante) adjudication of whether the similarity is exploited to
confuse or defraud people. The idea that anyone who uses the string [it] in the second or third level of a domain name space is undermining the rights of Italy as a country is just so plainly silly to me that I wonder whether anyone here actually wants to
defend it. Any takers?</span></p></div></div></blockquote></div></div></div><div dir="auto">SO: I don't think we should wait for actual (ex post) before putting preventives especially if forecast (ex ante) makes sense. It's like saying we should be robbed first before thinking of security measures, am sure you not agree with that line of thinking during the transition ;-). That said, I think the confusion/competition may be somewhat reduced at third level but certainly not for second level.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Regards</div><div dir="auto">PS: sent from my handheld</div><div dir="auto"><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div lang="EN-US" link="blue" vlink="purple"><div class="m_-2240959963187864455WordSection1"><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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a) welcomes and appreciates the decision made by ICANN Board directing the President and CEO of ICANN or his designee(s) to take necessary actions for satisfactory resolution of the concerns raised in that Advice; <br>
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