<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><div class="">Hi James...I would likely agree on this as well. Because the whois is not usually updated properly with the owner information and registrars do offer at a cost for privacy of that information even when you do a WHOIS you wold see the registrar as the owner. So yes this is a challenge to not miss out.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><br class=""><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Jul 4, 2017, at 6:32 PM, James Gannon <<a href="mailto:james@cyberinvasion.net" class="">james@cyberinvasion.net</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div class="WordSection1" style="page: WordSection1; font-family: Helvetica-Light; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;"><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span class="">I would challenge the ability of anyone to check the safety and security of a domain via WHOIS, personally I would not see this as a valid use case.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div><div class=""><div style="border-style: solid none none; border-top-width: 1pt; border-top-color: rgb(225, 225, 225); padding: 3pt 0cm 0cm;" class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><b class=""><span lang="EN-US" class="">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" class=""><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>NCSG-Discuss [<a href="mailto:NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU" class="">mailto:NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU</a>]<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b class="">On Behalf Of<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>gangadhar<br class=""><b class="">Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>04 July 2017 14:51<br class=""><b class="">To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU" class="">NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU</a><br class=""><b class="">Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [INPUT REQUESTED] How do non-commercial Internet users use WHOIS?<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div class=""><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1499166075130_28371" class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; background-color: white;" class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Lucida Console';" class="">Hi team,<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1499166075130_28370" class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; background-color: white;" class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Lucida Console';" class="">The primary purpose an NGO/Civil Society use WHOIS<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1499166075130_28370" class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; background-color: white;" class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Lucida Console';" class="">is to check if the domain name is safe and secure.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1499166075130_28370" class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; background-color: white;" class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Lucida Console';" class="">This is done by the NGO themselves or the service provider.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1499166075130_28370" class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; background-color: white;" class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Lucida Console';" class="">best wishes<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1499166075130_28370" class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; background-color: white;" class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Lucida Console';" class="">Gangadhar Panday<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1499166075130_28367" class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; background-color: white;" class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Lucida Console';" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1499166075130_28366" class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; background-color: white;" class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Lucida Console';" class="">Videos and ICT for Eco-awareness<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 12pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; background-color: white; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial;"><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Lucida Console';" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></p></div><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; background-color: white;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class="">On Tuesday, 4 July 2017 4:15 PM, Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro <<a href="mailto:sala@PASIFIKANEXUS.NU" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">sala@PASIFIKANEXUS.NU</a>> wrote:</span><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 12pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; background-color: white;"><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></p><div class=""><div id="yiv2901497421" class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; background-color: white;" class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class="">Hi Ayden,<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; background-color: white;" class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; background-color: white;" class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class="">In response to your call, here is my response:<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; background-color: white;" class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; background-color: white;" class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class="">1) Due Diligence when profiling for a specific intent;<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; background-color: white;" class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class="">2)To report on "scams" such as phishing attempts to registrars and ICANN Compliance;<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; background-color: white;" class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class="">3)General curiosity.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; background-color: white;" class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; background-color: white;" class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class="">Sala<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div></div><div id="yiv2901497421yqt87119" class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; background-color: white;" class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; background-color: white;" class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class="">On 4 Jul 2017 22:37, "Ayden Férdeline" <<a href="mailto:icann@ferdeline.com" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">icann@ferdeline.com</a>> wrote:<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><blockquote style="border-style: none none none solid; border-left-width: 1pt; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); padding: 0cm 0cm 0cm 6pt; margin-left: 4.8pt; margin-right: 0cm;" class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; background-color: white;" class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class="">Greetings, all-<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; background-color: white;" class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; background-color: white;" class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class="">Along with Stephanie Perrin and Wendy Seltzer, I am a part of the ICANN GDPR Compliance Consultation Group. This group has been formed to help ICANN gather the information it needs to engage with data protection authorities and to obtain actionable legal advice.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; background-color: white;" class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; background-color: white;" class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class="">I committed last week to keeping the NCSG updated on the activities of the Consultation Group over the coming months. <o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; background-color: white;" class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; background-color: white;" class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class="">In our first meeting, we committed to participating in a data gathering exercise to identify the existing users of WHOIS, what data elements they use, and for what purpose. At this time we are not making the determination as to whether a purpose is legitimate or illegitimate, though that call will come, or if a data element comprises personally identifiable information. For now we are simply trying to include all user categories to get the most complete set of data points.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; background-color: white;" class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; background-color: white;" class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class="">We are interested in understanding how non-commercial Internet users, who we in the NCSG purport to represent the interests of, use WHOIS. We have conducted some informal consultation among our peers and have been provided with a few use cases, but not too many. It is possible that end users do not use WHOIS widely [and that has been the assumption that has informed previous exercises like this one], but if you, as an end user, do use WHOIS, we would be curious to know for what purpose and which data elements you rely on. Please share your thoughts either on-list or with me privately, if you prefer.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; background-color: white;" class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; background-color: white;" class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class="">We have a very short turnaround time for this exercise. Our next call is this Thursday, and ICANN staff envision this entire task being completed by next week. The time for you to provide input is thus now. Thanks!<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; background-color: white;" class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; background-color: white;" class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class="">Best wishes,<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; background-color: white;" class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; background-color: white;" class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class="">Ayden Férdeline<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; background-color: white;" class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=""><a href="http://www.linkedin.com/in/ferdeline" target="_blank" title="http://www.linkedin.com/in/ferdeline" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">linkedin.com/in/ferdeline</a></span></div></div></div></div></blockquote></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote></div><br class=""><div class="">
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