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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">The alternate trigger was based on the current data retention wavier process which has the nationally recognised law firm language already in it so there was no creation of a new process involved.
And at the end of the day, on the working group there was only myself and Stephanie and this was what we came up with and no one in NCSG disagreed at the time, and also importantly it was widely supported by the registry and registrar community.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US"> Edward Morris [mailto:egmorris1@toast.net]
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<b>Sent:</b> 30 May 2017 09:37<br>
<b>To:</b> NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU; James Gannon <james@cyberinvasion.net><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: NCSG Ideation Workshop on Revised ICANN Procedure for Handling WHOIS Conflicts with Privacy Law on Monday 29 May 2017 at 13:00 UTC.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode",sans-serif">Folks can find the IAG Final Report here: <a href="https://gnso.icann.org/en/drafts/iag-review-whois-conflicts-procedure-23may16-en.pdf">https://gnso.icann.org/en/drafts/iag-review-whois-conflicts-procedure-23may16-en.pdf</a>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode",sans-serif">What I proposed differs from the additional trigger mentioned in the IAG Report in that it tries to chip at the disease I often to as ICANN exceptionalism: that
is, the view that every problem in ICANN is unique, never seen before and we have to build solutions from scratch.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode",sans-serif">The IAG Report indicates the additional trigger would only be triggered by an opinion from a "nationally recognised" law firm. This was criticised, and rightly
so. ICANN or its component parties should not be in the business of deciding which law firms are nationally recognised or have subject matter competence. Parties need to be free to chose their own legal representatives. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode",sans-serif">There was also a proposal in the IAG Report that would trigger an investigation by ICANN upon a complaint by a Contracted Party supported by the relevant GAC member
and included a public comment period with specific reference to law enforcement, data protection commissioners etc. I'm not a big advocate of allowing executive agencies of governments, be it law enforcement or data commissioners or GAC representatives, defining
their laws. That's why most political systems have a judicial branch.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode",sans-serif">The heart of my proposal, unlike the alternate trigger concepts, is arbitration, possibly within the structures that came into being on October 1, 2016, 5 months
after the IAG Report was issued, not "triggers". The request / ICANN response portion proposed is actually no more than a bit more formal version of the Cooperative Engagement Process (CEP), contained in §4.3(e) of the Bylaws and currently under revision.
Alternately, normal commercial arbitration could be used. Timing of arbitration is about the only thing that would ideally deviate from commercial norms. Enforcement of disputed contractual provisions would be stayed pending resolution of the arbitration.
This, too, is not abnormal for commercial arbitration elsewhere. It might be a good idea to make IRP decisions binding if we were to go that route - although that alone may be reason merely to require arbitration ex-ICANN.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode",sans-serif">I would also note that even if an IRP or arbitration panel or government authority under the proposal in question opined that the contractual provision being challenged
is, in fact, legal, the CPH member involved would still be at risk if it complied with the provision and another party, be it a(another) government agency or other impacted party with standing, challenged this legally. Courts do tend to give weight to arbitral
awards, although they too are invalid if contrary to law. Still, CPH members would be in a much better position to defend their actions in court by pointing to an arbitral decision than by saying "x government agency said it was / was not OK (one must also
remember, with regard privacy, that in the current environment and in certain jurisdictions legislation could be enacted requiring disclosure of information that ICANN policy states should be private) when this private California corporation consulted it.
Heck, even the public comments were 3-1 in favour". That defense may not even pass the "laugh test" in some courts.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode",sans-serif">I would have opposed the alternate trigger as described in the IAG Report. In fact, I don't think any sui generis proposal in this area is a good idea. Any solution
should be rooted in standard procedures already developed for disputes here at ICANN and/or beyond. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode",sans-serif">Best,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">From</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">: "James Gannon" <<a href="mailto:james@CYBERINVASION.NET">james@CYBERINVASION.NET</a>><br>
<b>Sent</b>: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 8:15 AM<br>
<b>To</b>: <a href="mailto:NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU">NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU</a><br>
<b>Subject</b>: Re: NCSG Ideation Workshop on Revised ICANN Procedure for Handling WHOIS Conflicts with Privacy Law on Monday 29 May 2017 at 13:00 UTC.</span><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode",sans-serif">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">This form of alternate trigger was suggested by myself months ago during the IAG, supported by the Rr and Ry community and rejected due to lack of consensus with the BC and IPC and thus did not progress.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Can I make a quick suggestion that people go back and read the final public comment of the IAG before we continue to go around in circles =)</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">-James</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US"> NCSG-Discuss [<a href="mailto:NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU">mailto:NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Edward Morris<br>
<b>Sent:</b> 29 May 2017 22:36<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU">NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: NCSG Ideation Workshop on Revised ICANN Procedure for Handling WHOIS Conflicts with Privacy Law on Monday 29 May 2017 at 13:00 UTC.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode",sans-serif">1. If a Register or Registrar believes that any part of a contract it is obliged to sign with ICANN in order to maintain its core business operations is against
the law in any jurisdiction in which it operates, that company shall obtain a legal opinion from any entity licensed to practice law within the jurisdiction involved stating same, giving precise reasons for that opinion, and send it to ICANN;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode",sans-serif">3. the matter shall be referred directly to an Independent Review Panel, per §4.3 of ICANN's Bylaws. I would note that said Bylaws section would have to be amended
to allow for this process to occur. This arbitration would have to be binding. The IRP would, thus, make the final decision. An alternative would be to send the dispute to an international arbitrator not connected in any way with the ICANN IRP.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode",sans-serif">Hope this is helpful.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode",sans-serif">Kind Regards,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">From</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">: "Ayden Férdeline" <<a href="mailto:icann@FERDELINE.COM">icann@FERDELINE.COM</a>><br>
<b>Sent</b>: Monday, May 29, 2017 8:41 PM<br>
<b>To</b>: <a href="mailto:NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU">NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU</a><br>
<b>Subject</b>: Re: NCSG Ideation Workshop on Revised ICANN Procedure for Handling WHOIS Conflicts with Privacy Law on Monday 29 May 2017 at 13:00 UTC.</span><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode",sans-serif">
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call, I said something along the lines of, surely mitigating contractual clauses that run contrary to local laws is something that happens from time to time in other sectors? I asked how, outside of CANN, these issues would be handled. If anyone has an answer
to this, I would be curious to hear it, as I think it might help us come up with better solutions in our comment on the proposed alteration to the WHOIS Conflicts with Privacy Law procedure.<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode",sans-serif">Subject: Attendance & Recording: NCSG Ideation Workshop on Revised ICANN Procedure for Handling WHOIS Conflicts with Privacy Law on Monday 29 May 2017 at 13:00
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<b>NCSG Ideation Workshop on Revised ICANN Procedure for Handling WHOIS Conflicts with Privacy Law on Monday 29 May 2017 at 13:00 UTC.</b></span></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span class="colour"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode",sans-serif;color:#002060">Nathalie Peregrine: Welcome all, to the NCSG Ideation Workshop on
Revised ICANN Procedure for Handling WHOIS Conflicts with Privacy Law on Monday 29 May 2017 at 13:00 UTC</span></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span class="colour"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode",sans-serif;color:#002060">Ayden Férdeline: Here is a link to our draft comment, it isn't necessary
to open the file just yet but we might look at it later. <a href="https://docs.google.com/document/d/1lA-O2jiPv5JMoCYpG5HD0S_5O3yaiYkoRvfll3YsTX4/edit?usp=sharing">
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1lA-O2jiPv5JMoCYpG5HD0S_5O3yaiYkoRvfll3YsTX4/edit?usp=sharing</a></span></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span class="colour"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode",sans-serif;color:#002060">Joan Kerr: Hello Everyone</span></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span class="colour"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode",sans-serif;color:#002060">Ayden Férdeline: thanks for joining the call!</span></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span class="colour"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode",sans-serif;color:#002060">Farell FOLLY (africa 2.0): hello Joan</span></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span class="colour"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode",sans-serif;color:#002060">Joan Kerr: Hi Farell. How are you</span></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span class="colour"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode",sans-serif;color:#002060">Ayden Férdeline: We will start in 3 minutes</span></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span class="colour"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode",sans-serif;color:#002060">Louise Marie Hurel: Hi everyone!</span></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span class="colour"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode",sans-serif;color:#002060">Andreea Rusu: Hello everyone!</span></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span class="colour"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode",sans-serif;color:#002060">Stephanie Perrin: apologies for being late</span></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span class="colour"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode",sans-serif;color:#002060">Bruna Santos: hello, everyone!</span></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span class="colour"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode",sans-serif;color:#002060">Stephanie Perrin: Thanks for doing all the preparation for this Ayden
and all!</span></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span class="colour"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode",sans-serif;color:#002060">Louise Marie Hurel: +1 Stephanie</span></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span class="colour"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode",sans-serif;color:#002060">Farzaneh Badii: yes</span></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span class="colour"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode",sans-serif;color:#002060">Louise Marie Hurel: yes</span></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span class="colour"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode",sans-serif;color:#002060">Farzaneh Badii: we can hear you</span></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span class="colour"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode",sans-serif;color:#002060">Farzaneh Badii: I'd say we have a technical definition of public comment,
which is publicly commenting as a group or an individual on a policy document</span></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span class="colour"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode",sans-serif;color:#002060">Dina Solveig Jalkanen: On an entire document or smaller recent alterations
to one.</span></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span class="colour"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode",sans-serif;color:#002060">Louise Marie Hurel: yes</span></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span class="colour"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode",sans-serif;color:#002060">Dina Solveig Jalkanen: Do all issues requesting a public comment receive
one? If not, what is the percentage of those that go uncommented?</span></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span class="colour"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode",sans-serif;color:#002060">James Gannon: All are put out for comment, most would recienve at
least one</span></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span class="colour"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode",sans-serif;color:#002060">Rafik: @Dina some topics revieves few comments. no necessarily because
they are not relevant but because there are several in same time and people end up prioritizing...</span></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span class="colour"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode",sans-serif;color:#002060">Dina Solveig Jalkanen: Working group is free to disregard the contents
of a comment?</span></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span class="colour"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode",sans-serif;color:#002060">James Gannon: There is no obligation to incorporate every comment
no. But to consdider them yes</span></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span class="colour"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode",sans-serif;color:#002060">James Gannon: *consider</span></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span class="colour"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode",sans-serif;color:#002060">Rafik: @Dina staff summarize the comments , then working group review
the comments, try to respond to them but not incorporating everythin</span></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span class="colour"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode",sans-serif;color:#002060">David Cake: Whois we are talking about the existing registration data
service</span></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span class="colour"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode",sans-serif;color:#002060">Dina Solveig Jalkanen: lookup, but I think we should hear details
from ICANN :)</span></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span class="colour"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode",sans-serif;color:#002060">David Cake: rather than the protocol by which it is currently delivered</span></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span class="colour"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode",sans-serif;color:#002060">Dina Solveig Jalkanen: Rafik, thank you, that makes sense</span></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span class="colour"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode",sans-serif;color:#002060">James Gannon: "David Yes important distinction</span></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span class="colour"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode",sans-serif;color:#002060">Stephanie Perrin: Consideration of comments, in my view, is much less
rigorous than it is in some regulatory settings. I used to work on public comments that the Department of Communications/Industry has to publish in the federal register. one had to be very scrupulous in how those comments were disposed of, a but of course
in that milieu there is a Minister responsbile to a parliament. ICANN is different, on occasion we have had our comments barely noted.</span></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span class="colour"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode",sans-serif;color:#002060">James Gannon:
<a href="https://whois.icann.org/en/primer">https://whois.icann.org/en/primer</a></span></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span class="colour"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode",sans-serif;color:#002060">James Gannon: WHOIS is 3 things</span></span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span class="colour"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode",sans-serif;color:#002060"> </span></span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span class="colour"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode",sans-serif;color:#002060">James Gannon: The information that is collected at the time of registration
of a domain name or IP numbering resource and subsequently made available via the WHOIS Service, and potentially updated throughout the life of the resource;The WHOIS Protocol itself, which is defined in RFC 3912; orThe WHOIS Services that provide public access
to domain name registration information typically via applications that implement the WHOIS protocol or a web-based interfac</span></span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span class="colour"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode",sans-serif;color:#002060"> </span></span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span class="colour"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode",sans-serif;color:#002060">Julf Helsingius (NCPH NCA): There are two very different issues -
the access protocol and the actual data</span></span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span class="colour"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode",sans-serif;color:#002060"> </span></span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span class="colour"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode",sans-serif;color:#002060">Dina Solveig Jalkanen: Could you repeat the question? (bad connection)</span></span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span class="colour"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode",sans-serif;color:#002060"> </span></span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span class="colour"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode",sans-serif;color:#002060">Farzaneh Badii: oh now that I have Tapani's phone number from this
WHOIS fIorm Ican call him up now and ask him to attend this call.</span></span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span class="colour"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode",sans-serif;color:#002060"> </span></span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span class="colour"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode",sans-serif;color:#002060">Stephanie Perrin: Sorry I had to step away and take a call.</span></span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span class="colour"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode",sans-serif;color:#002060"> </span></span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span class="colour"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode",sans-serif;color:#002060">Julf Helsingius (NCPH NCA): I guess we have to separate whois information
about a single individual, and information about an organisation</span></span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span class="colour"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode",sans-serif;color:#002060"> </span></span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span class="colour"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode",sans-serif;color:#002060">James Gannon: Depends on the country Julf</span></span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span class="colour"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode",sans-serif;color:#002060"> </span></span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span class="colour"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode",sans-serif;color:#002060">Julf Helsingius (NCPH NCA): sure</span></span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span class="colour"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode",sans-serif;color:#002060"> </span></span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span class="colour"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode",sans-serif;color:#002060">Stephanie Perrin: It is very awkward to do that although technically
the difference is important under data protection law</span></span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span class="colour"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode",sans-serif;color:#002060"> </span></span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span class="colour"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode",sans-serif;color:#002060">Julf Helsingius (NCPH NCA): but pretty much everything always depends
on the country :)</span></span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span class="colour"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode",sans-serif;color:#002060"> </span></span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span class="colour"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode",sans-serif;color:#002060">Stephanie Perrin: My own policy position, and one we advanced in the
discussions on privacy proxy services (the PPSAI pdp) is that we should avoid trying to determine who is an individual and who is a company, although if a company wishes to declare itself they are welcome</span></span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span class="colour"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode",sans-serif;color:#002060"> </span></span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span class="colour"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode",sans-serif;color:#002060">Bruna Santos: Brazil does not have a privacy law yet. There are discussions
in both at the lower house and at the senate. But we have not yet come to a conclusion regarding the different proposals</span></span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span class="colour"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode",sans-serif;color:#002060"> </span></span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span class="colour"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode",sans-serif;color:#002060">Stephanie Perrin: In most nations, the ability to protect groups depends
on the constitution. More difficult that trying to interpret those rights under DP law</span></span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span class="colour"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode",sans-serif;color:#002060"> </span></span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span class="colour"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode",sans-serif;color:#002060">Louise Marie Hurel: We have the Brazilian Internet Bill of Rights
as a legal mechanism that actually upholds privacy as one of the guiding principles to Internet policy, development and governance -- also adding to the principle outlined in our Constitution. However, we are currently debating a specific framework for privacy
and data protection.</span></span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span class="colour"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode",sans-serif;color:#002060"> </span></span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span class="colour"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode",sans-serif;color:#002060">Louise Marie Hurel: Several proposals as Bruna said</span></span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span class="colour"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode",sans-serif;color:#002060"> </span></span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span class="colour"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode",sans-serif;color:#002060">Farell FOLLY (africa 2.0): @stephanie but most of the time as of
whois registration data, even company data will contain indiindividuals information</span></span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span class="colour"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode",sans-serif;color:#002060"> </span></span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span class="colour"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode",sans-serif;color:#002060">Dina Solveig Jalkanen: It doesn't.</span></span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span class="colour"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode",sans-serif;color:#002060"> </span></span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span class="colour"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode",sans-serif;color:#002060">Bruna Santos: For example, the concept of personal data is outlined
by the Access to Information bill!</span></span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span class="colour"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode",sans-serif;color:#002060"> </span></span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span class="colour"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode",sans-serif;color:#002060">Louise Marie Hurel: So our national panorama is one of comepting understandings
so as to what are the interests that are guiding privacy law</span></span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span class="colour"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode",sans-serif;color:#002060"> </span></span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span class="colour"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode",sans-serif;color:#002060">Bruna Santos: and jurisprudence</span></span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span class="colour"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode",sans-serif;color:#002060"> </span></span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span class="colour"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode",sans-serif;color:#002060">James Gannon: @Ayden IMportant to note that that will be changing
under PPSAI implementaion</span></span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span class="colour"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode",sans-serif;color:#002060"> </span></span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span class="colour"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode",sans-serif;color:#002060">Julf Helsingius (NCPH NCA): Ayden - isn't that more an issue of transparency
rather than an issue of existence of proxy services?</span></span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span class="colour"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode",sans-serif;color:#002060"> </span></span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span class="colour"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode",sans-serif;color:#002060">Joan Kerr: The Personal Information Protection and Electronic Documents
Act (PIPEDA) is federal legislation passed in 2001 and fully implemented on January 1, 2004. While some provinces have passed their own privacy legislation, Ontario has not, so the federal legislation applies here.</span></span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span class="colour"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode",sans-serif;color:#002060"> </span></span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span class="colour"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode",sans-serif;color:#002060">Rafik: Tunisia has DP law to be updated since parliament just voted
to ratify the convention 108</span></span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span class="colour"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode",sans-serif;color:#002060"> </span></span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span class="colour"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode",sans-serif;color:#002060">David Cake: there is a national privacy act in Australia. it puts
obligations on companies.</span></span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span class="colour"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode",sans-serif;color:#002060"> </span></span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span class="colour"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode",sans-serif;color:#002060">James Gannon: I do belive that Stephanie in fact wrote a good chunk
of PIPEDA =)</span></span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span class="colour"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode",sans-serif;color:#002060"> </span></span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span class="colour"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode",sans-serif;color:#002060">David Cake: but discussion about legal changes such as a privacy tort
are ongoing. waiting for data breach legislation.</span></span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span class="colour"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode",sans-serif;color:#002060"> </span></span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span class="colour"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode",sans-serif;color:#002060">Bruna Santos: A curiosity is that when Marco Civil was written, the
Idea of having privacy as one of the guiding principles to Internet policy, development and governance was to reinforce the need of an specific framework that the government was working on. (in a very soft power way)</span></span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span class="colour"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode",sans-serif;color:#002060"> </span></span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span class="colour"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode",sans-serif;color:#002060">Bruna Santos: This Government proposal has been sent to the Senate
and the debate now is between proposals (one from a Senator that is now in our Ministry of foreign affairs and the one that the government drafted)</span></span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span class="colour"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode",sans-serif;color:#002060"> </span></span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span class="colour"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode",sans-serif;color:#002060">James Gannon: Ireland has a Data Protection Act in line with the EU
Directives</span></span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span class="colour"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode",sans-serif;color:#002060"> </span></span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span class="colour"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode",sans-serif;color:#002060">Joan Kerr: @Stephanie, we have always thought PIPEDA covered Ontarions\</span></span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span class="colour"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode",sans-serif;color:#002060"> </span></span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span class="colour"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode",sans-serif;color:#002060">Stephanie Perrin: I think it sounds like the Brazilian framework idea
is similar to what we were trying to do in Canada. </span></span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span class="colour"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode",sans-serif;color:#002060"> </span></span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span class="colour"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode",sans-serif;color:#002060">Ayden Férdeline:
<a href="https://docs.google.com/document/d/1lA-O2jiPv5JMoCYpG5HD0S_5O3yaiYkoRvfll3YsTX4/edit?usp=sharing">
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1lA-O2jiPv5JMoCYpG5HD0S_5O3yaiYkoRvfll3YsTX4/edit?usp=sharing</a></span></span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span class="colour"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode",sans-serif;color:#002060"> </span></span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span class="colour"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode",sans-serif;color:#002060">Stephanie Perrin: We had quite a difficult debate in Canada about
the scope of what the federal government ought to be doing</span></span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span class="colour"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode",sans-serif;color:#002060"> </span></span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span class="colour"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode",sans-serif;color:#002060">Bruna Santos: Yes, Stephanie, I see some similarities in both processes</span></span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span class="colour"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode",sans-serif;color:#002060"> </span></span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span class="colour"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode",sans-serif;color:#002060">Stephanie Perrin: I spent quite a few years looking at other federal
states, did not look at Brazil because of my language issues....but it is interesting how federal states have intervened. US used their powers in interstate commerce to stop racial discrimination, a pretty creative use of the power that made our efforts look
pretty easy in comparison.</span></span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span class="colour"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode",sans-serif;color:#002060"> </span></span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span class="colour"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode",sans-serif;color:#002060">Bruna Santos: I believe in Brazil, both Marco Civil and the Personal
Data draft bill have been an effort of the Federal Government against some terrible regulation attempts of both the Senate and the Lower House.</span></span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span class="colour"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode",sans-serif;color:#002060"> </span></span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span class="colour"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode",sans-serif;color:#002060">Stephanie Perrin: In Canada we developed a standard for privacy protection
first, through the Canadian Standards Association. We attempted then to take that managment standard to the ISO in order to have it form the basis for an international management standard, but were blocked by the US. </span></span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span class="colour"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode",sans-serif;color:#002060"> </span></span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span class="colour"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode",sans-serif;color:#002060">Stephanie Perrin: in the meantime, we legislated compliance to that
standard. There were many reasons for choosing a standards based approach (lawyers hate it) which I could go on and on about, if you are interested ....</span></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span class="colour"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode",sans-serif;color:#002060">Bruna Santos: yes, please! Im interested on the subject! Mainly because
I have followed a part of the drafting process while at the government</span></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span class="colour"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode",sans-serif;color:#002060">Stephanie Perrin: Well lets take this offline....It might be a option
for you if you are interested. Solves trade discrimination issues because compliance with it can be indepently audited without the need for regulation....</span></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span class="colour"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode",sans-serif;color:#002060">Bruna Santos: definitely!</span></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span class="colour"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode",sans-serif;color:#002060">Farell FOLLY (africa 2.0): what the trigger is in this context?</span></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span class="colour"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode",sans-serif;color:#002060">Stephanie Perrin: The new trigger is a letter from a nationally respected
law firm.</span></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span class="colour"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode",sans-serif;color:#002060">Stephanie Perrin: FOrmerly, it was just a letter from a DPA with the
authority to sanction (and not all dpas have that power, some have to take you to a tribunal or a court) telling you that you were breaking the law</span></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span class="colour"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode",sans-serif;color:#002060">Farzaneh Badii: so it's now law firms enforcing the law?</span></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span class="colour"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode",sans-serif;color:#002060">Farell FOLLY (africa 2.0): thanks Stéphanie</span></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span class="colour"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode",sans-serif;color:#002060">Stephanie Perrin: TBH, I was so disgusted at the end of this I wrote
my dissent and walked away. In order to participate in drafting this comment, I will have to go over the precise wording that we came up with in the final new trigger. the REgistrars said it would not work, they had an effort to block it at the GNSO, but
then abandoned that and said yes we will pass it in return for starting a new,more broadly scoped cttee this fall. Just what we need, says I, another totally frustrating committee.....</span></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span class="colour"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode",sans-serif;color:#002060">Farell FOLLY (africa 2.0): well</span></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span class="colour"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode",sans-serif;color:#002060">Stephanie Perrin: I would say go to the website of the WHOIS conflicts
with law....</span></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span class="colour"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode",sans-serif;color:#002060">Stephanie Perrin: listen to a couple of the transcripts....</span></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span class="colour"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode",sans-serif;color:#002060">Stephanie Perrin: we argued over the same issues for weeks on end,
so I would say random selection ought to take you to some of the debate pretty quickly.</span></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span class="colour"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode",sans-serif;color:#002060">Stephanie Perrin: Privacy impact assessment, privacy policy, legal
risk assessement.....</span></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span class="colour"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode",sans-serif;color:#002060">Stephanie Perrin: Normally, you don't force the regulated bodies to
independently come up with what amounts to a legal risk assessment individually.</span></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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it did not mean that all the others automatically got one, even though it was the same law and contract</span></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span class="colour"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode",sans-serif;color:#002060">Dina Solveig Jalkanen: Stephanie, it was interesting to read your
comments, thanks!</span></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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