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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060">Dear all,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060">Please find attendance and recording of the
<b>NCSG Ideation Workshop on Revised ICANN Procedure for Handling WHOIS Conflicts with Privacy Law on Monday 29 May 2017 at 13:00 UTC.
<o:p></o:p></b></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="color:#002060"><o:p> </o:p></span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060">Transcript would be posted when it becomes available.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="color:#002060">Attendance:</span></b><span style="color:#002060"> Dina Solveig Jalkanen, Farell Folly, Farzaneh Badii, Joan Kerr, Julf Helsingius, Rafik Dammak, David Cake, Bruna Santos, Louise Marie Hurel, Andreea Rusu,
Stephanie Perrin, James Gannon, Arshad Mohammed<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="color:#002060">Staff: </span></b><span style="color:#002060">Maryam Bakoshi<b><o:p></o:p></b></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="color:#002060"><o:p> </o:p></span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="color:#002060">Mp3: <a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__mailer.samanage.com_wf_click-3Fupn-3DBicbgE3FNUxHuHwOPdgXp7PxnHhpBITaBzfgAxdndi9IoZ8RzsFfvLRUW7puduYyT3QqyejmqLebLO8-2D2FaBYwOa7n9S-2D2BNF4iZTNJEAmb6p18OioHij8yTI6RHXBNl4dqO-5FFiroU9WATfGGQpGIbRb8NkCMVsuIUf2Oa7q-2D2B6QPGPd0P9ACvn3Y7Ub4pcSRvAWpR4eEu9NGmxpUPeW0JVeMqcxBkC1ajwg6Efba9JnrHuvaGkytYht-2D2BcRzRzRdO6GDE510ktfNBk9SsN-2D2BN0dEU5DFF3QEQ5iwAN6-2D2B-2D2BxBtC6uhITOohlogAogeBf50rZYVN91efCNDdqf2xJtlfeMsjjuK7MqqSHCN6imx8jpgEzEydwcWqu-2D2BfjdaIzcckkn6XuQWr9PFm7U90oJy2EKP0b8VEevVh0x8p-2D2BKUGwiGAR5YKKqLoMtb2KmjIKAv2GtOKlGlUXYzuHJZYFA8p6EAgsX8K59qIN97A-2D2B88klCmbFWwAVYZNdGwmN5AflCwwbw6NFcKtIUDZEy6Lw5btFQ2HbMuhg3tIvvNf2xPuI-2D2BbF0jj4KPbiTMkDQoUEMlpiFnR1mQ0C7ClpRgrbKF96ktBf27YH80P2k3ruvStINNE-2D2BJSGkyXRz48s4QkPA9MgZkY0wOBQ&d=DwMFaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=1A9IIOkJia11FXDmJ1R4Jn7wGT4ExHiVuBF89mvNt_Q&m=vQbmbaWSwX_9c2WsUbHUdgoNAN-3QLL6u6EsuRVN9og&s=3WQwmPdBmgaf7JyLvtjt15jOJd_T2lZfr2PGYUVvi74&e=">
https://audio.icann.org/gnso/whois-conflicts-privacy-law-ncsg-29may17-en.mp3[mailer.samanage.com]</a> <o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="color:#002060"><o:p> </o:p></span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="color:#002060">AC Chat:<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060">Nathalie Peregrine: Welcome all, to the NCSG Ideation Workshop on Revised ICANN Procedure for Handling WHOIS Conflicts with Privacy Law on Monday 29 May 2017 at 13:00 UTC<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060">Ayden Férdeline: Hi all, thanks for coming today<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060">Farell FOLLY (africa 2.0): ok it works<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060">Ayden Férdeline: Here is a link to our draft comment, it isn't necessary to open the file just yet but we might look at it later. https://docs.google.com/document/d/1lA-O2jiPv5JMoCYpG5HD0S_5O3yaiYkoRvfll3YsTX4/edit?usp=sharing<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060">Joan Kerr: Hello Everyone<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060">Ayden Férdeline: thanks for joining the call!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060">Farell FOLLY (africa 2.0): hello Joan<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060">Joan Kerr: Hi Farell. How are you<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060">Ayden Férdeline: We will start in 3 minutes<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060">Louise Marie Hurel: Hi everyone!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060">Andreea Rusu: Hello everyone!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060">Stephanie Perrin: apologies for being late<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060">Bruna Santos: hello, everyone! <o:p>
</o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060">Stephanie Perrin: Thanks for doing all the preparation for this Ayden and all!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060">Louise Marie Hurel: +1 Stephanie<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060">Farzaneh Badii: yes<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060">Louise Marie Hurel: yes<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060">Farzaneh Badii: we can hear you <o:p>
</o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060">Farzaneh Badii: I'd say we have a technical definition of public comment, which is publicly commenting as a group or an individual on a policy document
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060">Dina Solveig Jalkanen: On an entire document or smaller recent alterations to one.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060">Louise Marie Hurel: yes<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060">Dina Solveig Jalkanen: Do all issues requesting a public comment receive one? If not, what is the percentage of those that go uncommented?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060">James Gannon: All are put out for comment, most would recienve at least one<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060">Rafik: @Dina some topics revieves few comments. no necessarily because they are not relevant but because there are several in same time and people end up prioritizing...<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060">Dina Solveig Jalkanen: Working group is free to disregard the contents of a comment?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060">James Gannon: There is no obligation to incorporate every comment no. But to consdider them yes<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060">James Gannon: *consider<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060">Rafik: @Dina staff summarize the comments , then working group review the comments, try to respond to them but not incorporating everythin<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060">David Cake: Whois we are talking about the existing registration data service<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060">Dina Solveig Jalkanen: lookup, but I think we should hear details from ICANN :)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060">David Cake: rather than the protocol by which it is currently delivered<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060">Dina Solveig Jalkanen: Rafik, thank you, that makes sense<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060">James Gannon: "David Yes important distinction<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060">Stephanie Perrin: Consideration of comments, in my view, is much less rigorous than it is in some regulatory settings. I used to work on public comments that the Department of Communications/Industry has to
publish in the federal register. one had to be very scrupulous in how those comments were disposed of, a but of course in that milieu there is a Minister responsbile to a parliament. ICANN is different, on occasion we have had our comments barely noted.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060">James Gannon: https://whois.icann.org/en/primer<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060">James Gannon: WHOIS is 3 things<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060">James Gannon: The information that is collected at the time of registration of a domain name or IP numbering resource and subsequently made available via the WHOIS Service, and potentially updated throughout
the life of the resource;The WHOIS Protocol itself, which is defined in RFC 3912; orThe WHOIS Services that provide public access to domain name registration information typically via applications that implement the WHOIS protocol or a web-based interfac<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060">Julf Helsingius (NCPH NCA): There are two very different issues - the access protocol and the actual data<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060">Dina Solveig Jalkanen: Could you repeat the question? (bad connection)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060">Farzaneh Badii: oh now that I have Tapani's phone number from this WHOIS fIorm Ican call him up now and ask him to attend this call.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060">Stephanie Perrin: Sorry I had to step away and take a call.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060">Julf Helsingius (NCPH NCA): I guess we have to separate whois information about a single individual, and information about an organisation<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060">James Gannon: Depends on the country Julf<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060">Julf Helsingius (NCPH NCA): sure<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060">Stephanie Perrin: It is very awkward to do that although technically the difference is important under data protection law<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060">Julf Helsingius (NCPH NCA): but pretty much everything always depends on the country :)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060">Stephanie Perrin: My own policy position, and one we advanced in the discussions on privacy proxy services (the PPSAI pdp) is that we should avoid trying to determine who is an individual and who is a company,
although if a company wishes to declare itself they are welcome<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060">Bruna Santos: Brazil does not have a privacy law yet. There are discussions in both at the lower house and at the senate. But we have not yet come to a conclusion regarding the different proposals
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060">Stephanie Perrin: In most nations, the ability to protect groups depends on the constitution. More difficult that trying to interpret those rights under DP law<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060">Louise Marie Hurel: We have the Brazilian Internet Bill of Rights as a legal mechanism that actually upholds privacy as one of the guiding principles to Internet policy, development and governance -- also adding
to the principle outlined in our Constitution. However, we are currently debating a specific framework for privacy and data protection.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060">Louise Marie Hurel: Several proposals as Bruna said<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060">Farell FOLLY (africa 2.0): @stephanie but most of the time as of whois registration data, even company data will contain indiindividuals information
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060">Dina Solveig Jalkanen: It doesn't.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060">Bruna Santos: For example, the concept of personal data is outlined by the Access to Information bill!
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060">Louise Marie Hurel: So our national panorama is one of comepting understandings so as to what are the interests that are guiding privacy law<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060">Bruna Santos: and jurisprudence <o:p>
</o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060">James Gannon: @Ayden IMportant to note that that will be changing under PPSAI implementaion<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060">Julf Helsingius (NCPH NCA): Ayden - isn't that more an issue of transparency rather than an issue of existence of proxy services?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060">Joan Kerr: The Personal Information Protection and Electronic Documents Act (PIPEDA) is federal legislation passed in 2001 and fully implemented on January 1, 2004. While some provinces have passed their own
privacy legislation, Ontario has not, so the federal legislation applies here.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060">Rafik: Tunisia has DP law to be updated since parliament just voted to ratify the convention 108<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060">David Cake: there is a national privacy act in Australia. it puts obligations on companies.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060">James Gannon: I do belive that Stephanie in fact wrote a good chunk of PIPEDA =)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060">David Cake: but discussion about legal changes such as a privacy tort are ongoing. waiting for data breach legislation.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060">Bruna Santos: A curiosity is that when Marco Civil was written, the Idea of having privacy as one of the guiding principles to Internet policy, development and governance was to reinforce the need of an specific
framework that the government was working on. (in a very soft power way) <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060">Bruna Santos: This Government proposal has been sent to the Senate and the debate now is between proposals (one from a Senator that is now in our Ministry of foreign affairs and the one that the government drafted)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060">James Gannon: Ireland has a Data Protection Act in line with the EU Directives<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060">Joan Kerr: @Stephanie, we have always thought PIPEDA covered Ontarions\<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060">Stephanie Perrin: I think it sounds like the Brazilian framework idea is similar to what we were trying to do in Canada.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060">Ayden Férdeline: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1lA-O2jiPv5JMoCYpG5HD0S_5O3yaiYkoRvfll3YsTX4/edit?usp=sharing<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060">Stephanie Perrin: We had quite a difficult debate in Canada about the scope of what the federal government ought to be doing<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060">Bruna Santos: Yes, Stephanie, I see some similarities in both processes
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060">Stephanie Perrin: I spent quite a few years looking at other federal states, did not look at Brazil because of my language issues....but it is interesting how federal states have intervened. US used their powers
in interstate commerce to stop racial discrimination, a pretty creative use of the power that made our efforts look pretty easy in comparison.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060">Bruna Santos: I believe in Brazil, both Marco Civil and the Personal Data draft bill have been an effort of the Federal Government against some terrible regulation attempts of both the Senate and the Lower House.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060">Stephanie Perrin: In Canada we developed a standard for privacy protection first, through the Canadian Standards Association. We attempted then to take that managment standard to the ISO in order to have it
form the basis for an international management standard, but were blocked by the US.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060">Stephanie Perrin: in the meantime, we legislated compliance to that standard. There were many reasons for choosing a standards based approach (lawyers hate it) which I could go on and on about, if you are interested
....<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060">Bruna Santos: yes, please! Im interested on the subject! Mainly because I have followed a part of the drafting process while at the government
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060">Stephanie Perrin: Well lets take this offline....It might be a option for you if you are interested. Solves trade discrimination issues because compliance with it can be indepently audited without the need for
regulation....<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060">Bruna Santos: definitely! <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060">Farell FOLLY (africa 2.0): what the trigger is in this context?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060">Stephanie Perrin: The new trigger is a letter from a nationally respected law firm.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060">Stephanie Perrin: FOrmerly, it was just a letter from a DPA with the authority to sanction (and not all dpas have that power, some have to take you to a tribunal or a court) telling you that you were breaking
the law<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060">Farzaneh Badii: so it's now law firms enforcing the law?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060">Joan Kerr: Who has the ultimate authority to enforce
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060">Farell FOLLY (africa 2.0): thanks Stéphanie
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060">Stephanie Perrin: TBH, I was so disgusted at the end of this I wrote my dissent and walked away. In order to participate in drafting this comment, I will have to go over the precise wording that we came up with
in the final new trigger. the REgistrars said it would not work, they had an effort to block it at the GNSO, but then abandoned that and said yes we will pass it in return for starting a new,more broadly scoped cttee this fall. Just what we need, says I,
another totally frustrating committee.....<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060">Farell FOLLY (africa 2.0): well<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060">Stephanie Perrin: I would say go to the website of the WHOIS conflicts with law....<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060">Stephanie Perrin: listen to a couple of the transcripts....<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060">Stephanie Perrin: we argued over the same issues for weeks on end, so I would say random selection ought to take you to some of the debate pretty quickly.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060">Stephanie Perrin: Privacy impact assessment, privacy policy, legal risk assessement.....<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060">Stephanie Perrin: Normally, you don't force the regulated bodies to independently come up with what amounts to a legal risk assessment individually.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060">Stephanie Perrin: Note that if one Irish registrar gets a waiver, it did not mean that all the others automatically got one, even though it was the same law and contract<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060">Dina Solveig Jalkanen: Stephanie, it was interesting to read your comments, thanks!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060">Louise Marie Hurel: Thank you all<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060">Rafik: thnks Ayden<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060">Louise Marie Hurel: Thanks Ayden<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060">Farzaneh Badii: thanks a lot Ayden
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060">Stephanie Perrin: Thanks Ayden, great approach to doing comments!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060">Joan Kerr: Thanks Ayden, All<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060">Maryam Bakoshi: Thanks all, good bye<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060">Farell FOLLY (africa 2.0): thanks well done
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F4E79">Many thanks,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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