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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Nope I think we agree in agreement just different phrasing.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">I certainly would expect a new registry to have a fully developed and mature security and resiliency posture. But I do expect them to be able to
conform to a minimum acceptable level of serve and security, and with that comes financial security obligations also, I don’t want a new registry to be popular but ultimately unfeasible financially due to an artificially low barrier to entry and thus crash
out of the market triggering EBERO and all of the associated issues that go along with that.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">I’m saying that to meet those minimum level commitments there is a financial cost and an organisational and resource cost associated and that we
cannot negate that responsibility through artificial lowering of the barriers. In effect I support a natural level of barriers required to meet a minimum level of standards, how that minimum level is set is another conversation.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Mueller, Milton L [mailto:milton@gatech.edu]
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<b>Sent:</b> 23 May 2017 20:04<br>
<b>To:</b> James Gannon <james@cyberinvasion.net>; NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU<br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: Comment on GNSO Community Comment 2 (CC2) on New gTLD Subsequent Procedures / Consultation and review<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Seems like James and I agree with Ayden but for different reasons.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">James is worried that a new TLD is a “core part of the Internet” and entry barriers should be high. I disagree on both counts.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">A new TLD is not a core part of the Internet; it’s like adding a web site or a second level domain, and if the operator of that domain or web site
doesn’t handle their responsibilities well they will lose business and no one will pay attention to them or use them. The market self-corrects. The Root is a core part of the Internet. A few highly-utilized TLDs, such as .COM or .ORG, are core parts of the
Internet; DOT MUSEUM is not.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Unless many, many, many people choose to register in it, a TLD is just another service on the internet. And the only way to get lots of people to
register in a TLD is to offer good value and reliable service. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">ALL of the big TLDs we have now started very small and very rough. If Verisign had had to conform to ICANN standards in 1991, when it started, it
would never have been able to enter the business; same goes for all the other big TLDs, from .UK to .CN. Why are we requiring small, start-up, developing country service providers to conform to standards expected of Verisign and Neustar, well-financed corporations
that have been in existence for 20 years? This is inherently discriminatory against LDCs and developing country entrepreneurs.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> NCSG-Discuss [<a href="mailto:NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU">mailto:NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>James Gannon<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, May 23, 2017 6:53 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU">NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: Comment on GNSO Community Comment 2 (CC2) on New gTLD Subsequent Procedures / Consultation and review<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">I find myself in agreement with Ayden on this one, but I realise that Im in the rough here.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">I don’t think that approaching the security and stable management of a TLD is something that needs to be lowered and supported, if we do so we run
the risk of entering registries or operators into the root that do not have the financial stability required to operate a new gTLD. I agree that supports can be offered but I don’t agree that we should be subsiding or telling groups what they need to do to
be able to run such a core part of the internet.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">-James<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">From:
</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">NCSG-Discuss <<a href="mailto:NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU">NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU</a>> on behalf of Rafik Dammak <<a href="mailto:rafik.dammak@GMAIL.COM">rafik.dammak@GMAIL.COM</a>><br>
<b>Reply-To: </b>Rafik Dammak <<a href="mailto:rafik.dammak@GMAIL.COM">rafik.dammak@GMAIL.COM</a>><br>
<b>Date: </b>Tuesday 23 May 2017 at 08:53<br>
<b>To: </b>"<a href="mailto:NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU">NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU</a>" <<a href="mailto:NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU">NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU</a>><br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">Hi Bill,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">indeed, we got involved in the applicant support. Many from NCSG participated actively in the applicant support working group aka JAS. for reference,
you can check the recommendations and reports made by the working group here <a href="https://newgtlds.icann.org/en/applicants/candidate-support/jas-wg-materials">https://newgtlds.icann.org/en/applicants/candidate-support/jas-wg-materials</a>. one of concern
was the late implementation of support program when the applications process started.<br>
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I understand that people tend to focus on the application fee but at the working group, we acknowledged that is not the main issue. We worked on other aspects like in-kind support for technical, legal and other matters not just for the application but the operation
too. there were several entities keen to provide such support. there was also an idea to encourage common registry providers as shared pool for such applicants.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">Regarding the support for the application fee, there are several constraints in such way that an applicant who went for it and finds itself ineligible
will have its application rejected in the new gTLD program. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">we should continue the work in the subsequent procedures working group to remove all unneeded restrictions imposed by requirements in the applicant
guidebook. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">Best,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">Rafik<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">2017-05-23 16:34 GMT+09:00 William Drake <<a href="mailto:wjdrake@gmail.com" target="_blank">wjdrake@gmail.com</a>>:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">NCSG was centrally involved in raising and then pushing applicant support back in 2009-2011. Are you saying we should now reverse our very public
position? I’m not convinced, but would like to hear more rationale for the reversal as well as the views of others, including those who put a lot of time into this back in the day.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">Bill<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">On May 22, 2017, at 21:23, Mueller, Milton L <<a href="mailto:milton@gatech.edu" target="_blank">milton@gatech.edu</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">I agree with you Ayden. Lowering entry barriers, not “financial aid,” is the solution. Moreover, offering financial aid will encourage some applicants
to apply even if there is no sustainable market demand. We should be talking about exempting developing country applicants from expensive regulatory requirements, not offering them subsidies.</span><span lang="EN-US" style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Professor,<span class="gmail-m8314654806080205361apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="http://spp.gatech.edu/" target="_blank"><span style="color:#0563C1">School
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Georgia Institute of Technology</span><span lang="EN-US" style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Internet Governance Project</span><span lang="EN-US" style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">From:</span></b><span class="gmail-m8314654806080205361apple-converted-space"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black"> </span></span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">NCSG-Discuss
[<a href="mailto:NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU" target="_blank"><span style="color:purple">mailto:NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU</span></a>]<span class="gmail-m8314654806080205361apple-converted-space"> </span><b>On Behalf Of<span class="gmail-m8314654806080205361apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Ayden
Férdeline<br>
<b>Sent:</b><span class="gmail-m8314654806080205361apple-converted-space"> </span>Monday, May 22, 2017 10:03 AM<br>
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have an agreed position on this topic just yet, particularly in relation to paragraphs #5 and #6. I would like to hear from others to see if they think this is a position that the NCSG should take. Personally I am reluctant to support a call for financial
aid for applicants; while the application fee per new gTLD is $185,000, my understanding is that the real cost to launch a new gTLD is closer to $2,000,000 once you take into account other requirements. So I don't think lowering the cost of the application
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the details about the public consultation are here <a href="https://www.icann.org/public-comments/cc2-new-gtld-subsequent-procedures-2017-03-22-en" target="_blank"><span style="color:purple">https://www.icann.org/public-comments/cc2-new-gtld-subsequent-procedures-2017-03-22-en</span></a>.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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editing and be tidying up the document in the next 3 days and submitting by this Wednesday after endorsement by the policy committee. because of the time constraints, please add wording and edits when you make comments.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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