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<p><font size="+1"><font face="Lucida Grande">Thanks to everyone who
put all the work in on this document. I corrected a few
typos, it looks great, I agreed with Ayden's comment that we
need a sic there or change to but if it is a typo....</font></font></p>
<p><font size="+1"><font face="Lucida Grande">But I endorse. Great
work!</font></font></p>
<p><font size="+1"><font face="Lucida Grande">Stephanie Perrin</font></font><br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 2017-05-17 15:08, Viviane Vinagre
wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Hi Rafik! I will give a look tomorow and will try
to contribute!
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<div>Best Regards,</div>
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<div>Viviane Vinagre</div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">2017-05-17 12:33 GMT-03:00 Kathy
Kleiman <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:kathy@kathykleiman.com" target="_blank">kathy@kathykleiman.com</a>></span>:<br>
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<p>Milton,</p>
<p>Great additions and critiques of Recommendations 1-15!
I've added three more sections for our review of
Recommendations 16 to 50. Please join us in reviewing
and evaluating these recommendations!<br>
</p>
<p>Best, Kathy<br>
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<div class="m_-5469636108764759380moz-cite-prefix">On
5/17/2017 9:50 AM, Mueller, Milton L wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">I
have added a bunch of stuff to the document. </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><a moz-do-not-send="true"
name="m_-5469636108764759380__MailEndCompose"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d"> </span></a></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">
Rafik Dammak [<a moz-do-not-send="true"
class="m_-5469636108764759380moz-txt-link-freetext"
href="mailto:rafik.dammak@gmail.com"
target="_blank">mailto:rafik.dammak@gmail.com</a><wbr>]
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<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, May 16, 2017 10:25
PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Mueller, Milton L <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
class="m_-5469636108764759380moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
href="mailto:milton@gatech.edu"
target="_blank"><milton@gatech.edu></a>;
Kathy Kleiman <a moz-do-not-send="true"
class="m_-5469636108764759380moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
href="mailto:Kathy@kathykleiman.com"
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Ayden Férdeline <a
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href="mailto:icann@ferdeline.com"
target="_blank"><icann@ferdeline.com></a><br>
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href="mailto:NCSG-DISCUSS@listserv.syr.edu" target="_blank">NCSG-DISCUSS@listserv.syr.edu</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [NCSG-Discuss]
Reminder CCT RT Initial Draft Comments
for NCSG</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Hi Ayden,
Kathy, Milton,</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">thanks for the
comments and suggestion, can you
please include them directly in
the google doc?</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Best,</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">2017-05-16 7:42
GMT+09:00 Mueller, Milton L <<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:milton@gatech.edu"
target="_blank">milton@gatech.edu</a>>:</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">Kathy</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">Thanks
for calling this out. I have
scanned the report and read the
executive summary and
recommendations. This is an odd
but very ICANNesque report. Look
at the basic conclusions the
report reached: </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Initial
indications are that the New gTLD
Program has led to a dramatic
increase in consumer choice, a
modest increase in competition and
minimal impact on consumer trust.
</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Those
are the conclusions actually
supported by the data.
Unfortunately, politics set in
immediately and the
recommendations reflect an
attempt by the IPR interests –
who have completely lost their
attempt to show that new TLDs
were a plague – to win by
losing. So the massive number of
recommendations, several of
which call for holding up all
new applications until dozens of
studies and changes are
completed, are in effect a
fishing expedition license that
would give the anti-industry
crowd another 2 years to find
some data – any data – that they
can use to hold things up even
longer:</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">“Nonetheless,
the Review Team believes that
there is a substantial need for
more and better data on both
competition and pricing and on the
impact of safeguards on consumer
protection.”</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">I
agree that the data collection
recommendations are excessive
and reflect the momentum created
by a growing bureaucracy. Many
have almost nothing to do with
consumer protection. One could
also characterize this as an
attempt by the CCT RT to prolong
its existence. It’s nice being
flown around…</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">I
probably won’t have time to play
a big role in comment
development but would urge you
not to go one by one through the
50 recommendations. Rather, I
would group them into a few
simple categories, such as: </span></p>
<p
class="m_-5469636108764759380m-5597243394604370009msolistparagraph"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">A)</span><span
style="font-size:7.0pt;color:#1f497d"> </span><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">Useful</span></p>
<p
class="m_-5469636108764759380m-5597243394604370009msolistparagraph"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">B)</span><span
style="font-size:7.0pt;color:#1f497d"> </span><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">Delaying
tactic </span></p>
<p
class="m_-5469636108764759380m-5597243394604370009msolistparagraph"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">C)</span><span
style="font-size:7.0pt;color:#1f497d"> </span><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">Needless
bureaucratic expansion that is
unjustified by any finding in
the report</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">Finally,
I burst out laughing at this
one: </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">“</span>the
CCTRT found that GAC participation
in the application and evaluation
process was largely beneficial and
led directly to modifications of
applications and applicants more
successfully navigating the
process.” </p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">Obviously
an entirely political finding,
for despite repeated references
to “data-driven analysis” in the
report I cannot find any hard
data that supports this
conclusion. I think we should
call that out. GAC interventions
in the application and
evaluation process were highly
disruptive, unfair,
inconsistent, persistently
deviated from settled GNSO
policy directions, and resulted
in all kinds of shadow
regulation. We must challenge
that finding. At the same time,
we should be praising the report
for basically coming to the
right conclusions when they
stick to the facts: opening up
the market for new TLDs
increased consumer choice,
increased competition, and has
no discernable negative effect
on consumer trust. </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">Dr.
Milton L Mueller</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">Professor,
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://spp.gatech.edu/"
target="_blank"><span
style="color:#0563c1">School
of Public Policy</span></a></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">Georgia
Institute of Technology</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">Internet
Governance Project </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d"><a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://internetgovernance.org/"
target="_blank"><span
style="color:#0563c1">http://internetgovernance.org/</span></a>
</span></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">
NCSG-Discuss [mailto:<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU"
target="_blank">NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.<wbr>SYR.EDU</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Kathy
Kleiman<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, May
15, 2017 1:20 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU"
target="_blank">NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU</a></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re:
Reminder CCT RT Initial
Draft Comments for NCSG</p>
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<p>I agree with Ayden about
adding sections that review
the recommendations one by
one. The fact that there are
50 is extraordinary in and
of itself. </p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">Some
initial thoughts:<br>
1) A large amount of
collection of pricing data
is requested in Draft
Recommendations 2-8. For
those who work with pricing
issues, what concerns are
raised by ICANN collecting,
publishing and acting on
pricing data? <br>
2) A number of
recommendations direct the
GNSO Working Groups to take
additional interests and
concerns into account.
Should a Review Team be
directing Working Groups and
GNSO policy considerations
(particularly here where the
Review Team is putting their
fingers on the scale towards
the interests of
Intellectual Property and
Business Constituencies?)<br>
3) A number of the
recommendations are very
vague. This gives great
power and discretion to
those who will interpret and
implement the
recommendations. How best to
clarify? <br>
4) As Ayden points out,
Shadow Regulation appears to
be an integral part of these
recommendations -- with a
very broad approach to
abuse. How to narrow to the
type of abuse we generally
consider to be within the
scope of ICANN, e.g,. abuse
that impacts the security
and stability of the
Internet (botnets,
malware...)<br>
<br>
Work ahead! Please jump in!<br>
Kathy</p>
<p>On 5/15/2017 10:57 AM,
Ayden Férdeline wrote:</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Hi
all,</p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">The
Google Doc is opening
for me. Thanks for the
first draft of this,
Poncelet. I would like
to suggest that we
structure our comment
along the 50 (!)
recommendations that are
in the draft report, if
not addressing all of
them, at least reacting
to the most pertinent
ones.<br>
<br>
From memory,
the Canadian
International Pharmacy
Association expressed
concern in Copenhagen
over similarities
between some of the
recommendations in the
CCT RT initial draft and
the "Healthy" Domains
Initiative. So we might
want to look out for
traces of shadow
regulation in the
report. Thanks.<br>
<br>
Best wishes,</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Ayden
Férdeline</p>
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title="http://www.linkedin.com/in/ferdeline"
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Original Message
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<p class="MsoNormal">Subject:
Re: Reminder CCT RT
Initial Draft Comments
for NCSG</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Local
Time: May 15, 2017
2:12 PM</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">UTC
Time: May 15, 2017
1:12 PM</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">From:
<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:matthew@INTPOLICY.COM" target="_blank">matthew@INTPOLICY.COM</a></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">To:
<a
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href="mailto:NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU" target="_blank">NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU</a></p>
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<p>Hi all - thanks Rafik.</p>
<p>Have any third parties
- outside of ICANN -
done any work on this
issue? It would be
important to see if
there has been I think.</p>
<p>Also, I don't seem to
be able to access the
google.doc - says I
need permission.</p>
<p>Thanks.</p>
<p>Matthew</p>
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15/05/2017 14:22,
Rafik Dammak wrote:</p>
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all, </p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">this
is a reminder to
review and add
your comments on
the draft made by
Poncelet for NCSG
on the
Competition,
Consumer, Consumer
Choice review team
report <a
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href="https://docs.google.com/document/d/1agDMTd8rDvhDb5mwg6fdfQSyRpQZjtjxmGaqx5NCJG8/edit"
target="_blank">
https://docs.google.com/<wbr>document/d/<wbr>1agDMTd8rDvhDb5mwg6fdfQSyRpQZj<wbr>tjxmGaqx5NCJG8/edit</a> </p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">(the
public comment is
here <a
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href="https://www.icann.org/public-comments/cct-rt-draft-report-2017-03-07-en"
target="_blank">
https://www.icann.org/public-<wbr>comments/cct-rt-draft-report-<wbr>2017-03-07-en</a>)</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">the
deadline for
submission is the
19th May.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Best,</p>
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