<div dir="ltr">Hi Rafik! I will give a look tomorow and will try to contribute!<div><br></div><div>Best Regards,</div><div><br></div><div>Viviane Vinagre</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">2017-05-17 12:33 GMT-03:00 Kathy Kleiman <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:kathy@kathykleiman.com" target="_blank">kathy@kathykleiman.com</a>></span>:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<p>Milton,</p>
<p>Great additions and critiques of Recommendations 1-15! I've
added three more sections for our review of Recommendations 16 to
50. Please join us in reviewing and evaluating these
recommendations!<br>
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<p>Best, Kathy<br>
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<div class="m_-5469636108764759380moz-cite-prefix">On 5/17/2017 9:50 AM, Mueller, Milton L
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have added a bunch of stuff to the document.
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Rafik Dammak [<a class="m_-5469636108764759380moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:rafik.dammak@gmail.com" target="_blank">mailto:rafik.dammak@gmail.com</a><wbr>]
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<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, May 16, 2017 10:25 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Mueller, Milton L
<a class="m_-5469636108764759380moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:milton@gatech.edu" target="_blank"><milton@gatech.edu></a>; Kathy Kleiman
<a class="m_-5469636108764759380moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:Kathy@kathykleiman.com" target="_blank"><Kathy@kathykleiman.com></a>; Ayden Férdeline
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [NCSG-Discuss] Reminder CCT RT
Initial Draft Comments for NCSG<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Hi Ayden, Kathy, Milton,<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">thanks for the comments and
suggestion, can you please include them directly
in the google doc?<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">2017-05-16 7:42 GMT+09:00 Mueller,
Milton L <<a href="mailto:milton@gatech.edu" target="_blank">milton@gatech.edu</a>>:<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">Kathy</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">Thanks
for calling this out. I have scanned the
report and read the executive summary and
recommendations. This is an odd but very
ICANNesque report. Look at the basic
conclusions the report reached:
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<p class="MsoNormal">Initial
indications are that the New gTLD Program has
led to a dramatic increase in consumer choice, a
modest increase in competition and minimal
impact on consumer trust.
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<p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Those
are the conclusions actually supported by the
data. Unfortunately, politics set in
immediately and the recommendations reflect an
attempt by the IPR interests – who have
completely lost their attempt to show that new
TLDs were a plague – to win by losing. So the
massive number of recommendations, several of
which call for holding up all new applications
until dozens of studies and changes are
completed, are in effect a fishing expedition
license that would give the anti-industry
crowd another 2 years to find some data – any
data – that they can use to hold things up
even longer:</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">“Nonetheless,
the Review Team believes that there is a
substantial need for more and better data on
both competition and pricing and on the impact
of safeguards on consumer protection.”<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d"> </span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">I
agree that the data collection recommendations
are excessive and reflect the momentum created
by a growing bureaucracy. Many have almost
nothing to do with consumer protection. One
could also characterize this as an attempt by
the CCT RT to prolong its existence. It’s nice
being flown around…</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d"> </span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">I
probably won’t have time to play a big role in
comment development but would urge you not to
go one by one through the 50 recommendations.
Rather, I would group them into a few simple
categories, such as:
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<p class="m_-5469636108764759380m-5597243394604370009msolistparagraph"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">A)</span><span style="font-size:7.0pt;color:#1f497d">
</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">Useful</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="m_-5469636108764759380m-5597243394604370009msolistparagraph"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">B)</span><span style="font-size:7.0pt;color:#1f497d">
</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">Delaying
tactic
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<p class="m_-5469636108764759380m-5597243394604370009msolistparagraph"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">C)</span><span style="font-size:7.0pt;color:#1f497d">
</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">Needless
bureaucratic expansion that is unjustified by
any finding in the report</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d"> </span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">Finally,
I burst out laughing at this one:
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">“</span>the
CCTRT found that GAC participation in the
application and evaluation process was largely
beneficial and led directly to modifications of
applications and applicants more successfully
navigating the process.”
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d"> </span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">Obviously
an entirely political finding, for despite
repeated references to “data-driven analysis”
in the report I cannot find any hard data that
supports this conclusion. I think we should
call that out. GAC interventions in the
application and evaluation process were highly
disruptive, unfair, inconsistent, persistently
deviated from settled GNSO policy directions,
and resulted in all kinds of shadow
regulation. We must challenge that finding. At
the same time, we should be praising the
report for basically coming to the right
conclusions when they stick to the facts:
opening up the market for new TLDs increased
consumer choice, increased competition, and
has no discernable negative effect on consumer
trust.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">Dr.
Milton L Mueller</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">Professor,
<a href="http://spp.gatech.edu/" target="_blank"><span style="color:#0563c1">School
of Public Policy</span></a></span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">Georgia
Institute of Technology</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">Internet
Governance Project
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d"><a href="http://internetgovernance.org/" target="_blank"><span style="color:#0563c1">http://internetgovernance.org/</span></a>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">
NCSG-Discuss [mailto:<a href="mailto:NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU" target="_blank">NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.<wbr>SYR.EDU</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Kathy Kleiman<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, May 15, 2017 1:20
PM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU" target="_blank">NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU</a></span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: Reminder CCT RT
Initial Draft Comments for NCSG<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p>I agree with Ayden about adding sections
that review the recommendations one by
one. The fact that there are 50 is
extraordinary in and of itself.
<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">Some
initial thoughts:<br>
1) A large amount of collection of
pricing data is requested in Draft
Recommendations 2-8. For those who work
with pricing issues, what concerns are
raised by ICANN collecting, publishing and
acting on pricing data?
<br>
2) A number of recommendations direct the
GNSO Working Groups to take additional
interests and concerns into account.
Should a Review Team be directing Working
Groups and GNSO policy considerations
(particularly here where the Review Team
is putting their fingers on the scale
towards the interests of Intellectual
Property and Business Constituencies?)<br>
3) A number of the recommendations are
very vague. This gives great power and
discretion to those who will interpret and
implement the recommendations. How best to
clarify?
<br>
4) As Ayden points out, Shadow Regulation
appears to be an integral part of these
recommendations -- with a very broad
approach to abuse. How to narrow to the
type of abuse we generally consider to be
within the scope of ICANN, e.g,. abuse
that impacts the security and stability of
the Internet (botnets, malware...)<br>
<br>
Work ahead! Please jump in!<br>
Kathy<u></u><u></u></p>
<p>On 5/15/2017 10:57 AM, Ayden Férdeline
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<p class="MsoNormal">The
Google Doc is opening for me. Thanks
for the first draft of this, Poncelet.
I would like to suggest that we
structure our comment along the 50 (!)
recommendations that are in the draft
report, if not addressing all of them,
at least reacting to the most
pertinent ones.<br>
<br>
From memory, the Canadian
International Pharmacy Association
expressed concern in Copenhagen over
similarities between some of the
recommendations in the CCT RT initial
draft and the "Healthy" Domains
Initiative. So we might want to look
out for traces of shadow regulation in
the report. Thanks.<br>
<br>
Best wishes,<u></u><u></u></p>
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Férdeline<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Subject:
Re: Reminder CCT RT Initial Draft
Comments for NCSG<u></u><u></u></p>
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Time: May 15, 2017 2:12 PM<u></u><u></u></p>
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Time: May 15, 2017 1:12 PM<u></u><u></u></p>
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<a href="mailto:NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU" target="_blank">NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU</a><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p>Hi all - thanks Rafik.<u></u><u></u></p>
<p>Have any third parties - outside of
ICANN - done any work on this issue?
It would be important to see if there
has been I think.<u></u><u></u></p>
<p>Also, I don't seem to be able to
access the google.doc - says I need
permission.<u></u><u></u></p>
<p>Thanks.<u></u><u></u></p>
<p>Matthew<u></u><u></u></p>
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15/05/2017 14:22, Rafik Dammak
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is a reminder to review and add
your comments on the draft made
by Poncelet for NCSG on the
Competition, Consumer, Consumer
Choice review team report
<a href="https://docs.google.com/document/d/1agDMTd8rDvhDb5mwg6fdfQSyRpQZjtjxmGaqx5NCJG8/edit" target="_blank">
https://docs.google.com/<wbr>document/d/<wbr>1agDMTd8rDvhDb5mwg6fdfQSyRpQZj<wbr>tjxmGaqx5NCJG8/edit</a> <u></u><u></u></p>
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public comment is here
<a href="https://www.icann.org/public-comments/cct-rt-draft-report-2017-03-07-en" target="_blank">
https://www.icann.org/public-<wbr>comments/cct-rt-draft-report-<wbr>2017-03-07-en</a>)<u></u><u></u></p>
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deadline for submission is the
19th May.<u></u><u></u></p>
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