<p dir="ltr">The competition is coming very soon, i imagine.<br>
Wait and see.</p>
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<p>Thanks Bill:<br>
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out by saying, "we have noted that there is a widely shared
perception of duplication, even of outright competition between
At-Large and the GNSO’s Non-Commercial Users Constituency (NCUC) -
and to a certain extent, with the Not-for-Profit
Operational Concerns Constituency (NPOC).”<br>
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"I don’t know among whom these are "widely shared" perceptions...,
but in my 3 years as NCUC chair I never experienced any
duplication or competition. I can’t see how such vague assertions
unconnected to anything real are helpful."<br>
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<div>On Feb 1, 2017, at 16:43, Ayden Férdeline <<a href="mailto:icann@ferdeline.com" target="_blank">icann@FERDELINE.COM</a>> wrote:</div>
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<div>On the ICANN wiki, ICANN staff have uploaded
a new draft of the report of the Review of the At-Large
Community. You can read it in PDF format here: <a href="https://community.icann.org/display/ALRW/Review+of+the+ICANN+At-Large+Community+-+Draft+Report+for+Public+Comment" target="_blank">https://community.icann.org/<wbr>display/ALRW/Review+of+the+<wbr>ICANN+At-Large+Community+-+<wbr>Draft+Report+for+Public+<wbr>Comment</a><br>
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<div>The report will open for public comment
today, and I think it is important we respond (and also
read it closely to see whether or not there are any
lessons we can learn, ahead of the GNSO Review). To aid
us in drafting our comments, I am going to compare
the changes in this second draft against those from the
initial report released in December — before members of
the At-Large Review Working Party requested signifiant
revisions — and I'll try to produce a redlined version,
which I'll share on our list. The initial draft was an
honest assessment of At-Large. A cursory glance at the
revisions in this new draft suggests the inclusion of
flowery language praising the current leadership of
At-Large for their stewardship of the community over
time; I hope the original recommendations have not been
materially toned down, but I haven't read the report
close enough just yet to assess whether or not this is
the case. <br>
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<div>Thanks Ayden for the offer. I hope that in any
comment we submit we bring a little clarity to the section on
"Mission overlap with NCUC & NPOC.” I am puzzled that the
section starts out by saying, "we have noted that there is a
widely shared perception of duplication, even of outright
competition between At-Large and the GNSO’s Non-Commercial Users
Constituency (NCUC) - and to a certain extent, with the
Not-for-Profit Operational Concerns Constituency (NPOC).” I
don’t know among whom these are "widely shared" perceptions
(feels a bit like the Westlake Report all over again), but in my
3 years as NCUC chair I never experienced any duplication or
competition. I can’t see how such vague assertions unconnected
to anything real are helpful. Moreover, the authors say the
differences between NCSG and ALAC are simply that</div>
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<div>• - The role of the ALAC is to provide advice on
policy and other issues being discussed within ICANN that have
implications for end users. <br>
• - The role of NCUC and NPOC, as constituencies of the
Non-Commercial Stakeholder Group (NCSG) within the GNSO, is to
provide policy advice related to work of the
policy- development function within the GNSO</div>
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<div>One would think that the fact that At Large is a
multistakeholder formation with a lot of folks from various
commercial parts of the community merits mention. Of course
there are civil society folks there too and some of us have
participated extensively in AL, but on the whole we are talking
about very different beasts, and not simply because of the AC/SO
roles.</div>
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<div>Sigh…</div>
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