<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div></div><div>What Bill say is in the line of my proposal also: to reinforce the presence of national IGF and of the multi stakeholder process we work on from inside of our countries. This processes in most of situations have little or not presence of national official delegations (governments) so it's a good opportunity to work with them in the land of international official delegations.</div><div><br></div><div>Carlos Vera </div><div>ECUADOR </div><div><br>On Jan 24, 2017, at 2:43 AM, William Drake <<a href="mailto:wjdrake@GMAIL.COM">wjdrake@GMAIL.COM</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=utf-8">Hi<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">As the next IGF is in Geneva and will likely draw a larger than usual participation by governments (e.g. national mission people who do ITU, WTO, WIPO, etc.) and intergovernmental organization staff/leaders that have been consistently skeptical of if not openly hostile to ICANN and multistakeholder cooperation, it might be worth considering a proposal that speaks more to the geopolitical ‘big issues’ that are still on minds here in UN-land. For example, I could imagine a very useful if properly structure assessment of the comparative strengths and weaknesses of multistakeholder vs multilateral institutions and under which circumstances one would want to choose one vs. the other or a blend. Alternatively, or as a subtheme of this, a session on how and to what extent/effect governments are able to participate in multistakeholder processes could be helpful (a dominant belief remains that governments are inappropriately marginalized in ICANN and more ‘adult supervision’ is needed). Another juicy one might be ‘cybersecurity’, which the ITU and may governments have construed as being entirely outside the realm of Internet governance and therefore something the ITU can lay claim to; SSAC-type issues could be highlighted to show that multistakeholder solutions are an important part of the mix. In contrast, deep dives on individual ICANN issues like RDS are important to us but may be less likely to draw in the folks who a) have no idea what such issues mean and why they matter, and b) could use some exposure to the ‘alternative facts’ they believe that might help broaden their perspectives.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Of course it doesn’t have to be either/or, NCSG and its constituencies could propose several workshops and see which the MAG accepts. We’ve had pretty good luck thus far, at least I don’t recall a NCSG or NCUC proposal ever being turned down, so more than one bite at the apple is possible.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Lastly, we might want to consider something for Day 0 that is cast more directly in outreach terms. In any event, my point is we might want to try to leverage the location’s rather specific properties. And if enough of us will be here, I could reserve a bar or resto to do an NCUC party...</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Best</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Bill</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Jan 23, 2017, at 19:13, Ayden Férdeline <<a href="mailto:icann@ferdeline.com" class="">icann@FERDELINE.COM</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div class="">That is a good topic, and one which should happen, but I think we as the NCSG should be pitching a workshop on a topic which falls within ICANN's remit. <br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=" protonmail_signature_block"><div class="protonmail_signature_block-user "><div class="">Ayden <br class=""></div></div><div class="protonmail_signature_block-proton protonmail_signature_block-empty"><br class=""></div></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><blockquote type="cite" class="protonmail_quote"><div class="">-------- Original Message --------<br class=""></div><div class="">Subject: Re: IGF workshop proposals?<br class=""></div><div class="">Local Time: 23 January 2017 6:11 PM<br class=""></div><div class="">UTC Time: 23 January 2017 18:11<br class=""></div><div class="">From: <a href="mailto:cveraq@gmail.com" class="">cveraq@gmail.com</a><br class=""></div><div class="">To: Ayden Férdeline <<a href="mailto:icann@ferdeline.com" class="">icann@ferdeline.com</a>><br class=""></div><div class=""><a href="mailto:NCSG-DISCUSS@listserv.syr.edu" class="">NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU</a><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">May I suggest to work on supporting national IGFs as the basic structure of IGF. <br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Carlos Vera<br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">On Jan 23, 2017, at 12:08 PM, Ayden Férdeline <<a href="mailto:icann@FERDELINE.COM" class="">icann@FERDELINE.COM</a>> wrote:<br class=""></div></div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div class="">It would be great to keep up the momentum re: building privacy into the Registration Directory Service. A workshop which explores where the WHOIS protocol has come from, what WHOIS is today, why it is problematic from the perspective of privacy (along with how it enables doxxing), and how it is evolving – for better or for worse – would, in my view, be extremely useful. That said, if we don't have Stephanie on the ground in Geneva to lead this conversation and to offer evidence-informed rebuttals to the perspectives other stakeholders bring to the table, its effectiveness for us would be diminished... <br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=" protonmail_signature_block"><div class="protonmail_signature_block-user "><div class="">Ayden Férdeline<br class=""></div><div class=""><a title="http://www.linkedin.com/in/ferdeline" href="http://www.linkedin.com/in/ferdeline" class="">linkedin.com/in/ferdeline</a><br class=""></div></div><div class="protonmail_signature_block-proton protonmail_signature_block-empty"><br class=""></div></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><blockquote type="cite" class="protonmail_quote"><div class="">-------- Original Message --------<br class=""></div><div class="">Subject: IGF workshop proposals?<br class=""></div><div class="">Local Time: 19 January 2017 1:32 PM<br class=""></div><div class="">UTC Time: 19 January 2017 13:32<br class=""></div><div class="">From: <a href="mailto:ncsg@TAPANI.TARVAINEN.INFO" class="">ncsg@TAPANI.TARVAINEN.INFO</a><br class=""></div><div class="">To: <a href="mailto:NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU" class="">NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU</a><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Dear all,<br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">NCSG has been organizing workshops in Internet Governance Forum, IGF,<br class=""></div><div class="">for a while now, and we could do so again this year.<br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">But if we want ICANN funding for it we must apply soon<br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">If you have ideas for a workshop and are willing to work to make it<br class=""></div><div class="">happen, please let me know. As Special Budget Request deadline has<br class=""></div><div class="">been moved to January 30 and we need time to consider proposals,<br class=""></div><div class="">please submit your proposal by 23:59 UTC next Tuesday, Jan 24.<br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">If you have less-than-complete proposal or even just a vague idea,<br class=""></div><div class="">that's welcome, too, I can try help turn that into complete proposal,<br class=""></div><div class="">but in that case please contact me as ASAP - the sooner the better.<br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Thank you,<br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">-- <br class=""></div><div class="">Tapani Tarvainen<br class=""></div></blockquote><div class=""><br class=""></div></div></blockquote></blockquote><div class=""><br class=""></div></div></blockquote></div><br class=""><div class="">
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