<html xmlns:v="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" xmlns:o="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" xmlns:w="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" xmlns:m="http://schemas.microsoft.com/office/2004/12/omml" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40">
<head>
<meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8">
<meta name="Generator" content="Microsoft Word 15 (filtered medium)">
<style><!--
/* Font Definitions */
@font-face
{font-family:"Cambria Math";
panose-1:2 4 5 3 5 4 6 3 2 4;}
@font-face
{font-family:Calibri;
panose-1:2 15 5 2 2 2 4 3 2 4;}
@font-face
{font-family:Consolas;
panose-1:2 11 6 9 2 2 4 3 2 4;}
/* Style Definitions */
p.MsoNormal, li.MsoNormal, div.MsoNormal
{margin:0in;
margin-bottom:.0001pt;
font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;
color:black;}
a:link, span.MsoHyperlink
{mso-style-priority:99;
color:blue;
text-decoration:underline;}
a:visited, span.MsoHyperlinkFollowed
{mso-style-priority:99;
color:purple;
text-decoration:underline;}
pre
{mso-style-priority:99;
mso-style-link:"HTML Preformatted Char";
margin:0in;
margin-bottom:.0001pt;
font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New";
color:black;}
p.msonormal0, li.msonormal0, div.msonormal0
{mso-style-name:msonormal;
mso-margin-top-alt:auto;
margin-right:0in;
mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
margin-left:0in;
font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;
color:black;}
span.EmailStyle19
{mso-style-type:personal;
font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;
color:windowtext;}
span.HTMLPreformattedChar
{mso-style-name:"HTML Preformatted Char";
mso-style-priority:99;
mso-style-link:"HTML Preformatted";
font-family:Consolas;
color:black;}
span.EmailStyle22
{mso-style-type:personal-reply;
font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;
color:windowtext;}
.MsoChpDefault
{mso-style-type:export-only;
font-size:10.0pt;}
@page WordSection1
{size:8.5in 11.0in;
margin:1.0in 1.0in 1.0in 1.0in;}
div.WordSection1
{page:WordSection1;}
--></style><!--[if gte mso 9]><xml>
<o:shapedefaults v:ext="edit" spidmax="1026" />
</xml><![endif]--><!--[if gte mso 9]><xml>
<o:shapelayout v:ext="edit">
<o:idmap v:ext="edit" data="1" />
</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]-->
</head>
<body bgcolor="white" lang="EN-US" link="blue" vlink="purple">
<div class="WordSection1">
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext">I like it a lot, sounds like the basis for a good proposal.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext">-James<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<div>
<div style="border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in">
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext"> matthew shears [mailto:mshears@cdt.org]
<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, January 24, 2017 9:46 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> James Gannon <james@cyberinvasion.net>; NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: IGF workshop proposals?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p>I would support both cyber and multistakeholder workshops. <o:p></o:p></p>
<p>Cyber focus will be interesting as we will just have come out of GCCS2017.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>Multistakeholder could focus on working models at national and regional levels - and how we promote them.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>Matthew<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">On 24/01/2017 08:26, James Gannon wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Strongly support the cybersecurity idea, and might even drag myself to Geneva if we get it on the agenda.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">-J</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<div>
<div style="border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in">
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> NCSG-Discuss [<a href="mailto:NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU">mailto:NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>William Drake<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, January 24, 2017 7:43 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU">NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: IGF workshop proposals?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Hi<o:p></o:p></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">As the next IGF is in Geneva and will likely draw a larger than usual participation by governments (e.g. national mission people who do ITU, WTO, WIPO, etc.) and intergovernmental organization staff/leaders that have been consistently skeptical
of if not openly hostile to ICANN and multistakeholder cooperation, it might be worth considering a proposal that speaks more to the geopolitical ‘big issues’ that are still on minds here in UN-land. For example, I could imagine a very useful if properly
structure assessment of the comparative strengths and weaknesses of multistakeholder vs multilateral institutions and under which circumstances one would want to choose one vs. the other or a blend. Alternatively, or as a subtheme of this, a session on how
and to what extent/effect governments are able to participate in multistakeholder processes could be helpful (a dominant belief remains that governments are inappropriately marginalized in ICANN and more ‘adult supervision’ is needed). Another juicy one might
be ‘cybersecurity’, which the ITU and may governments have construed as being entirely outside the realm of Internet governance and therefore something the ITU can lay claim to; SSAC-type issues could be highlighted to show that multistakeholder solutions
are an important part of the mix. In contrast, deep dives on individual ICANN issues like RDS are important to us but may be less likely to draw in the folks who a) have no idea what such issues mean and why they matter, and b) could use some exposure to
the ‘alternative facts’ they believe that might help broaden their perspectives.<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">Of course it doesn’t have to be either/or, NCSG and its constituencies could propose several workshops and see which the MAG accepts. We’ve had pretty good luck thus far, at least I don’t recall a NCSG or NCUC proposal ever being turned
down, so more than one bite at the apple is possible.<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">Lastly, we might want to consider something for Day 0 that is cast more directly in outreach terms. In any event, my point is we might want to try to leverage the location’s rather specific properties. And if enough of us will be here,
I could reserve a bar or resto to do an NCUC party...<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">Best<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">Bill<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<div>
<blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">On Jan 23, 2017, at 19:13, Ayden Férdeline <<a href="mailto:icann@ferdeline.com">icann@FERDELINE.COM</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">That is a good topic, and one which should happen, but I think we as the NCSG should be pitching a workshop on a topic which falls within ICANN's remit. <o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">Ayden <o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">-------- Original Message --------<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">Subject: Re: IGF workshop proposals?<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">Local Time: 23 January 2017 6:11 PM<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">UTC Time: 23 January 2017 18:11<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">From: <a href="mailto:cveraq@gmail.com">cveraq@gmail.com</a><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">To: Ayden Férdeline <<a href="mailto:icann@ferdeline.com">icann@ferdeline.com</a>><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><a href="mailto:NCSG-DISCUSS@listserv.syr.edu">NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU</a><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">May I suggest to work on supporting national IGFs as the basic structure of IGF. <o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">Carlos Vera<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">On Jan 23, 2017, at 12:08 PM, Ayden Férdeline <<a href="mailto:icann@FERDELINE.COM">icann@FERDELINE.COM</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
</div>
<blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
<div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">It would be great to keep up the momentum re: building privacy into the Registration Directory Service. A workshop which explores where the WHOIS protocol has come from, what WHOIS is today, why it is problematic from the perspective of
privacy (along with how it enables doxxing), and how it is evolving – for better or for worse – would, in my view, be extremely useful. That said, if we don't have Stephanie on the ground in Geneva to lead this conversation and to offer evidence-informed rebuttals
to the perspectives other stakeholders bring to the table, its effectiveness for us would be diminished... <o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">Ayden Férdeline<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><a href="http://www.linkedin.com/in/ferdeline" title="http://www.linkedin.com/in/ferdeline">linkedin.com/in/ferdeline</a><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">-------- Original Message --------<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">Subject: IGF workshop proposals?<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">Local Time: 19 January 2017 1:32 PM<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">UTC Time: 19 January 2017 13:32<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">From: <a href="mailto:ncsg@TAPANI.TARVAINEN.INFO">ncsg@TAPANI.TARVAINEN.INFO</a><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">To: <a href="mailto:NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU">NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU</a><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">Dear all,<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">NCSG has been organizing workshops in Internet Governance Forum, IGF,<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">for a while now, and we could do so again this year.<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">But if we want ICANN funding for it we must apply soon<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">If you have ideas for a workshop and are willing to work to make it<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">happen, please let me know. As Special Budget Request deadline has<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">been moved to January 30 and we need time to consider proposals,<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">please submit your proposal by 23:59 UTC next Tuesday, Jan 24.<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">If you have less-than-complete proposal or even just a vague idea,<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">that's welcome, too, I can try help turn that into complete proposal,<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">but in that case please contact me as ASAP - the sooner the better.<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">Thank you,<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">-- <o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">Tapani Tarvainen<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
</blockquote>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
</div>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
</div>
</blockquote>
</div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<div>
<div>
<div>
<div>
<div>
<div>
<div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">************************************************<br>
William J. Drake<br>
International Fellow & Lecturer<br>
Media Change & Innovation Division, IPMZ<br>
University of Zurich, Switzerland<br>
<a href="mailto:william.drake@uzh.ch">william.drake@uzh.ch</a> (direct), <a href="mailto:wjdrake@gmail.com">wjdrake@gmail.com</a> (lists),<br>
<a href="http://www.williamdrake.org">www.williamdrake.org</a><br>
************************************************<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
</blockquote>
<p class="MsoNormal"><br>
<br>
<o:p></o:p></p>
<pre>-- <o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>------------<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>Matthew Shears<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>Global Internet Policy and Human Rights<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>Center for Democracy & Technology (CDT)<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>+ 44 771 2472987<o:p></o:p></pre>
</div>
</body>
</html>