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<p>Most of these suggestions must have been made in jest - or
certainly without consideration of the costs or suitability of the
locations. <br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 30/11/2016 20:38, Edward Morris
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<div>Hi James,</div>
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<div>I'll speak only for myself as I was on the call.</div>
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<div>The working assumption seems to be Reykjavik, pending input
from the ICANN Meeting staff. We were then asked to identify
secondary choices if Iceland for whatever reason did not work
out.</div>
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<div>My suggestion, in the chat, was Nice. I made the suggestion
after considering the fact that we do have a few ICANN staff
members who live in the Nice-Cannes area who could easily
attend, Nice has a decent international airport with reasonable
connections worldwide and direct flights to Europe, Africa and
North America, it is low season there so prices hopefully would
be reasonable and suitable facilities abound.</div>
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<div>I'm not sure who proposed the other locations. Hopefully they
will respond. Thanks for the question.</div>
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<div>Ed<br>
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On 30 Nov 2016, at 19:16, James Gannon <<a
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<div>Can I ask which of those locations were suggested by
NCSG?</div>
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<div>-James</div>
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<span style="font-weight:bold">From: </span>Ayden
Férdeline <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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<span style="font-weight:bold">Reply-To: </span>Ayden
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<span style="font-weight:bold">Date: </span>Wednesday 30
November 2016 at 19:02<br>
<span style="font-weight:bold">To: </span>James Gannon
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<span style="font-weight:bold">Subject: </span>Re: NCPH
Intersessional timing<br>
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<div>So I have just been reviewing the transcript from
the call on the 29th, and I am going to copy and paste
the exotic litany of cities that were suggested for
this intersessional:<br>
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"Reykjavík, Stockholm, Nice, Portugal, Spain,
Barcelona, Azores, Bermuda, Cape Verde Islands, South
Georgia island, Tokyo, Hobart, Nu'uk, Edinburgh or
Glasgow, London, Cardiff, Wales"<br>
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The Azores, really? I spent four days in Ponta Delgada
last year and beautiful as it may be, the island only
has intermittent Internet access, so remote
participation would be out of the question. It also
does not have daily flights, except to Lisbon, and we
have no active community members in the vicinity. Is
this really the most sensible location to suggest?<br>
<br>
I continue to maintain it is a waste of resources to
the extreme to debate rotating this meeting, which is
not public facing and is not for outreach, between
anything other than ICANN hubs. <br>
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Best wishes,</div>
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<div>Subject: Re: NCPH Intersessional timing<br>
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<div>Local Time: 29 November 2016 8:17 AM<br>
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<div>UTC Time: 29 November 2016 08:17<br>
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<div>MWC is 27 Feb - 2 March.<br>
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<div>-James<br>
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<div>On 29/11/2016, 08:06, "NCSG-Discuss on behalf of
Milan, Stefania" <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU">NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU</a>
on behalf of
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:Stefania.Milan@EUI.EU">Stefania.Milan@EUI.EU</a>>
wrote:<br>
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<div>>Was RightsCon mentioned already? March 29-31<br>
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<div>><br>
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<div>><br>
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<div>>________________________________________<br>
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<div>>Da: NCSG-Discuss <<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU">NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU</a>>
per conto di Tapani Tarvainen <<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:ncsg@TAPANI.TARVAINEN.INFO">ncsg@TAPANI.TARVAINEN.INFO</a>><br>
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<div>>Inviato: martedì 29 novembre 2016 08.24.23<br>
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<div>>A: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU">NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU</a><br>
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<div>>Oggetto: Re: NCPH Intersessional timing<br>
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<div>>Thank you Stephanie and Ines.<br>
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<div>><br>
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<div>>That makes it clear enough that February is
our first choice.<br>
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<div>><br>
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<div>>As for the potential conflicts, I got nothing
absolute (as in, "I will<br>
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<div>>definitely be going there") but a few
potential ("may go") conflicts<br>
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<div>>for April/May:<br>
</div>
<div>><br>
</div>
<div>>Russian IGF, April 7-10<br>
</div>
<div>>Internet 2: Global Summit, Washington DC
April 23-26<br>
</div>
<div>>IOT Forum, Madrid April 26<br>
</div>
<div>>RIPE meeting, Budapest May 8-12<br>
</div>
<div>><br>
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<div>>Some people also pointed out that Easter is
in mid-April and would<br>
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<div>>in effect make 13-17 April inpractical.<br>
</div>
<div>><br>
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<div>>Nobody has as yet offered any specific
ICANN/IG events in August-September<br>
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<div>>timeframe, but the beginning of academic year
impedes several people then.<br>
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<div>><br>
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<div>>If you have other potential conflicts in
mind, please let me know ASAP.<br>
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<div>><br>
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<div>>Tapani<br>
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<div>>On Mon, Nov 28, 2016 at 09:23:53PM -0500,
hfaiedh ines (<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:hfaiedh.ines2@GMAIL.COM">hfaiedh.ines2@GMAIL.COM</a>)
wrote:<br>
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<div>>> I vote February, sorry for missing the
vote.<br>
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<div>>><br>
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<div>>> 2016-11-28 17:53 GMT-05:00 Stephanie
Perrin <<br>
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<div>>> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca">stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca</a>>:<br>
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<div>>><br>
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<div>>> > I apologise for not voting....no
internet access. I vote February.<br>
</div>
<div>>> > Stephanie<br>
</div>
<div>>> ><br>
</div>
<div>>> > Sent from my BlackBerry 10
smartphone on the Bell network.<br>
</div>
<div>>> > Original Message<br>
</div>
<div>>> > From: Tapani Tarvainen<br>
</div>
<div>>> > Sent: Monday, November 28, 2016
2:43 AM<br>
</div>
<div>>> > To: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU">NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU</a><br>
</div>
<div>>> > Reply To: Tapani Tarvainen<br>
</div>
<div>>> > Subject: NCPH Intersessional timing<br>
</div>
<div>>> ><br>
</div>
<div>>> ><br>
</div>
<div>>> > Dear all,<br>
</div>
<div>>> ><br>
</div>
<div>>> > Poll results from the
intersessional timing options were, unfortunately<br>
</div>
<div>>> > but not unexpectedly, not
conclusive. The choices could have been better<br>
</div>
<div>>> > phrased - some people emailed me
offlist about that - but time was short.<br>
</div>
<div>>> ><br>
</div>
<div>>> > As it is, only 1 (can't make it)
was clearly defined, the rest were<br>
</div>
<div>>> > basically just a scale of
preferability, and so averaging them out<br>
</div>
<div>>> > makes at least some sense.<br>
</div>
<div>>> ><br>
</div>
<div>>> > Here's a summary of results, for
each category and month averages<br>
</div>
<div>>> > (excluding "no opinion" ones) and
in parentheses the number of "can't<br>
</div>
<div>>> > make it" choices:<br>
</div>
<div>>> ><br>
</div>
<div>>> > count category Feb Apr-May Aug-Sep<br>
</div>
<div>>> > 4 Councillors 3.7(1) 2.7(1) 2.0(2)<br>
</div>
<div>>> > 3 NCSG EC 3.7(1) 3.5(0) 2.0(0)<br>
</div>
<div>>> > 1 NCSG PC 5.0(0) 2.0(0) 3.0(0)<br>
</div>
<div>>> > 4 NCUC EC 4.8(0) 3.0(1) 3.5(0)<br>
</div>
<div>>> > 2 NPOC EC 4.5(0) 3.5(0) 4.0(0)<br>
</div>
<div>>> > 10 Other 3.3(2) 4.1(1) 3.7(2)<br>
</div>
<div>>> ><br>
</div>
<div>>> > 14 All except "Other" 4.2(2) 3.1(2)
3.4(2)<br>
</div>
<div>>> > 24 All 3.9(4) 3.5(3) 3.5(4)<br>
</div>
<div>>> ><br>
</div>
<div>>> > My conclusion is that there's no
really strong preference to any,<br>
</div>
<div>>> > but February is slightly preferred
(especially if we give less<br>
</div>
<div>>> > weight to "Other" category, who are
less likely to participate).<br>
</div>
<div>>> ><br>
</div>
<div>>> > A couple of people commented that
the latter two choices, but<br>
</div>
<div>>> > especially April/May, would depend
a lot on the exact date:<br>
</div>
<div>>> > there're lots of other meetings and
events people will be<br>
</div>
<div>>> > participating in that timeframe.<br>
</div>
<div>>> ><br>
</div>
<div>>> > The time should be decided
tomorrow. Before that, we should try to<br>
</div>
<div>>> > answer the questions posed by Tony
Holmes below.<br>
</div>
<div>>> ><br>
</div>
<div>>> > For the first one I guess we can
answer "no": none of the times impose<br>
</div>
<div>>> > severe constraints for us, even
though all of them are bad for at<br>
</div>
<div>>> > least two council/EC members.<br>
</div>
<div>>> ><br>
</div>
<div>>> > For question 4 it's not clear-cut,
but given the poll results<br>
</div>
<div>>> > I'd suggest order would be (1) Feb
(2) Aug-Sep (3) Apr-May<br>
</div>
<div>>> > (the latter two decided by
non-Other category).<br>
</div>
<div>>> ><br>
</div>
<div>>> > For questions 2 and 3 I'd like to
ask you all what other<br>
</div>
<div>>> > ICANN/IGF-related events you may be
participating in the<br>
</div>
<div>>> > timeframes given (to reduce clutter
on the list you can<br>
</div>
<div>>> > send them just to me and I'll
summarize them here).<br>
</div>
<div>>> ><br>
</div>
<div>>> > Tapani<br>
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<div>>> ><br>
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<div>>> > ----- Forwarded message from
tonyarholmes <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:tonyarholmes@btinternet.com">tonyarholmes@btinternet.com</a>><br>
</div>
<div>>> > -----<br>
</div>
<div>>> ><br>
</div>
<div>>> > Rob/All<br>
</div>
<div>>> ><br>
</div>
<div>>> > We agreed we will try and nail the
date for the next intercessional during<br>
</div>
<div>>> > a<br>
</div>
<div>>> > 30 minute call next week.<br>
</div>
<div>>> ><br>
</div>
<div>>> > To try and avert what Klaus
described as 'going around in circles', perhaps<br>
</div>
<div>>> > the following approach could help
narrow the options prior to that call.<br>
</div>
<div>>> ><br>
</div>
<div>>> > It appeared that the possibility of
tagging an intercessional on to the<br>
</div>
<div>>> > front or end of the Copenhagen or
Johannesburg meetings was dismissed,<br>
</div>
<div>>> > which<br>
</div>
<div>>> > left us with 3 options on the table
at the end of the call;<br>
</div>
<div>>> ><br>
</div>
<div>>> > - Week beginning February 13th<br>
</div>
<div>>> ><br>
</div>
<div>>> > - Late April/beginning of May<br>
</div>
<div>>> ><br>
</div>
<div>>> > - Beyond Johannesburg (effectively
late Aug/early Sept)<br>
</div>
<div>>> ><br>
</div>
<div>>> ><br>
</div>
<div>>> ><br>
</div>
<div>>> > Suggest as representatives from our
respective groups, in advance of the<br>
</div>
<div>>> > call we try and respond to Rob on
the following questions;<br>
</div>
<div>>> ><br>
</div>
<div>>> ><br>
</div>
<div>>> ><br>
</div>
<div>>> > 1. Do any of those options impose
severe constraints on the ability<br>
</div>
<div>>> > of<br>
</div>
<div>>> > your members to attend? If so, what
are they and can they be overcome?<br>
</div>
<div>>> ><br>
</div>
<div>>> > 2. During the suggested time frame
for late April/beginning of May<br>
</div>
<div>>> > are<br>
</div>
<div>>> > there major conflicts due to other
Internet Governance, Regional, standards<br>
</div>
<div>>> > bodies, trade association, other,
meetings? If so what are they and when<br>
</div>
<div>>> > will they take place?<br>
</div>
<div>>> ><br>
</div>
<div>>> > 3. Beyond Johannesburg, late
Aug/early Sept, are there major<br>
</div>
<div>>> > conflicts due to other Internet
Governance, Regional, standards bodies,<br>
</div>
<div>>> > trade association, other meetings?
If so what are they and when will they<br>
</div>
<div>>> > take place?<br>
</div>
<div>>> ><br>
</div>
<div>>> > 4. Can you rank the 3 options on
the table in order of preference.<br>
</div>
<div>>> ><br>
</div>
<div>>> ><br>
</div>
<div>>> ><br>
</div>
<div>>> > If it proves possible to do this it
may help focus thoughts during our 30<br>
</div>
<div>>> > minute call. Just a suggestion.<br>
</div>
<div>>> ><br>
</div>
<div>>> ><br>
</div>
<div>>> ><br>
</div>
<div>>> > Regards<br>
</div>
<div>>> ><br>
</div>
<div>>> > Tony<br>
</div>
<div>>> ><br>
</div>
<div>>> > ----- End forwarded message -----<br>
</div>
<div>>> ><br>
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