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<p dir="auto">Dear Rafik,</p>
<p dir="auto">as already commented to Farzaneh´s email on the subject, a charter revision under the new framework would be most useful, in terms of </p>
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<li value="1">a regular revision of (policy) intentions. For example I would suggest at least one: “impact of the new bylaws in terms of joining or not some international bodies and/or working groups”.</li>
<li value="2">discussion (regular)(policy) deliverables on those particular issues (not just reports), and </li>
<li value="3">regular revisions of milestones/objectives reached (and not only international meetings joined)</li>
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<p dir="auto">Best</p>
<p dir="auto">Carlos Raúl Gutiérrez<br>
+506 8837 7176<br>
Skype: carlos.raulg<br>
Current UTC offset: -6.00 (Costa Rica)<br>
On 31 Oct 2016, at 6:28, Rafik Dammak wrote:</p>
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<blockquote style="border-left:2px solid #777; color:#777; margin:0 0 5px; padding-left:5px"><div id="2EE11466-86E2-407E-9B73-226709D1850B"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra">Hi Stephanie,</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br></div><div class="gmail_extra">as I suggested in NCSG Policy Committee list, I think the CCWG-IG can work on charter amendments if the council give more specifics and details about its concerns. </div><div class="gmail_extra">As one of the co-chairs of the CWG-IG, we gave reports to the council since Marrakesh meeting and responded to the questions. I can work with the working members and other co-chairs on drafting the amendment and we need time to achieve that. Having the new framework cross-community working group, we can use that as opportunity to improve the CCWG-IG and align it with the SO/AC expectations. For other groups within GNSO, I think we can get support at least from Business Constituency, while we try to understand more the contracted party concerns.</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br></div><div class="gmail_extra">deferral is needed in order for the council to have a meaningful discussion and also liaising with other chartering organizations. I am not aware about precedent where a group left a joint or cross community working group in such manner.</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br></div><div class="gmail_extra">Best,</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br></div><div class="gmail_extra">Rafik<br>
<br><div class="gmail_quote">2016-10-29 10:42 GMT+09:00 Stephanie Perrin <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca" target="_blank">stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca</a>></span>:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<p><font size="+1"><font face="Lucida Grande">That is right, I fired
that proposal off to our policy cttee...and I think we have
agreement that it is premature to disengage from this. Other
SGs may feel entirely different though. I think there is a
feeling that by disengaging, we are limiting scope creep at
ICANN. Personally, I doubt that. Important to stay engaged
to <b>prevent</b> scope creep....</font></font></p>
<p><font size="+1"><font face="Lucida Grande">But mostly, we need to
talk this one around a bit.</font></font></p>
<p><font size="+1"><font face="Lucida Grande">cheers Stephanie<br>
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<div class="m_4257966289523925147moz-cite-prefix">On 2016-10-28 13:44, Edward Morris
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<div>Hi Ayden,</div>
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<div>Thanks for the question.</div>
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<div>I believe Stephanie has indicated that she will request a
deferral on this motion, an action I most certainly support.
We need time to speak to our colleagues in the Contracted
Party House and Commercial Stakeholders Group, ascertain their
concerns and level of support for the CWG-IG, and sort a way
to move forward together. As a result of work of the CCWG
squared WG there certainly will need to be some Charter
amendments and adjustments to the group. That certainly is
doable and I'm cautiously optimistic that we'll be able to
fashion a way forward assuming, of course, we can find a
minimal level of support elsewhere in the GNSO.</div>
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<div>Kind Regards,</div>
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<div>Ed Morris </div>
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<div><span style="font-family:tahoma,arial,sans-serif;font-size:10pt"><b>From</b>: "Ayden Férdeline"
<a class="m_4257966289523925147moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:icann@FERDELINE.COM" target="_blank"><icann@FERDELINE.COM></a><br>
<b>Sent</b>: Friday, October 28, 2016 5:37 PM<br>
<b>To</b>: <a class="m_4257966289523925147moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU" target="_blank">NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU</a><br>
<b>Subject</b>: Fwd: Motion – Withdrawal of the GNSO as a
Chartering Organization for the Cross Community Working
Group to discuss Internet governance (CWG-IG) issues
affecting ICANN</span>
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<div>Can I please ask our GNSO Councillors to outline their
position on the attached motion? I find it rather shocking
and my initial reaction is that I hope the motion does not
pass, but perhaps you can persuade me otherwise... Thanks.</div>
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<div>Ayden Férdeline</div>
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<div>Subject: [ccwg-internet-governance] Fwd: [council]
Motion – Withdrawal of the GNSO as a Chartering
Organization for the Cross Community Working Group to
discuss Internet governance (CWG-IG) issues affecting
ICANN</div>
<div>Local Time: 27 October 2016 2:18 PM</div>
<div>UTC Time: 27 October 2016 13:18</div>
<div>From: <a class="m_4257966289523925147moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:carlosraulg@gmail.com" target="_blank">carlosraulg@gmail.com</a></div>
<div>To: Nigel Hickson
<a class="m_4257966289523925147moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:ccwg-internet-governance@icann.org" target="_blank"><ccwg-internet-governance@<wbr>icann.org></a></div>
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<div>Dear members of the CCWG-IG,</div>
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<div>I want to share this motion that has been put forward
to the next GNSO</div>
<div>council meeting which will take place during the
ICANN57 meeting.</div>
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<div>Best regards</div>
<div> </div>
<div>Carlos Raúl Gutiérrez</div>
<div><a href="tel:%2B506%208837%207176" value="+50688377176" target="_blank">+506 8837 7176</a></div>
<div>Skype: carlos.raulg</div>
<div>Current UTC offset: -6.00 (Costa Rica)</div>
<div>Forwarded message:</div>
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<div>> From: Darcy Southwell
<a class="m_4257966289523925147moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:darcy.southwell@endurance.com" target="_blank"><darcy.southwell@endurance.<wbr>com></a></div>
<div>> To: <a class="m_4257966289523925147moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:council@gnso.icann.org" target="_blank">council@gnso.icann.org</a>
<a class="m_4257966289523925147moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:council@gnso.icann.org" target="_blank"><council@gnso.icann.org></a></div>
<div>> Subject: [council] Motion – Withdrawal of the GNSO
as a Chartering</div>
<div>> Organization for the Cross Community Working Group
to discuss Internet</div>
<div>> governance (CWG-IG) issues affecting ICANN</div>
<div>> Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2016 16:56:30 -0700</div>
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<div>> Dear Councilors,</div>
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<div>> Attached is a motion for the GNSO to withdraw as a
Chartering</div>
<div>> Organization for the Cross Community Working Group
to discuss Internet</div>
<div>> governance (CWG-IG) issues affecting ICANN for our
November 7 Council</div>
<div>> meeting.</div>
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<div>> Best,</div>
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<div>> Darcy</div>
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<div>> __________</div>
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<div>> Darcy Southwell | Compliance Officer</div>
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<div>> M: <a href="tel:%2B1%20503-453-7305" value="+15034537305" target="_blank">+1 503-453-7305</a> │ Skype: darcy.enyeart</div>
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