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<div>All,</div>
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<div>The EC has made a decision at their meeting in the past hour and will communicate it soon.</div>
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<div>James</div>
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<span style="font-weight:bold">From: </span>NCSG-Discuss <<a href="mailto:NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU">NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU</a>> on behalf of Paul Rosenzweig <<a href="mailto:paul.rosenzweig@REDBRANCHCONSULTING.COM">paul.rosenzweig@REDBRANCHCONSULTING.COM</a>><br>
<span style="font-weight:bold">Reply-To: </span>Paul Rosenzweig <<a href="mailto:paul.rosenzweig@REDBRANCHCONSULTING.COM">paul.rosenzweig@REDBRANCHCONSULTING.COM</a>><br>
<span style="font-weight:bold">Date: </span>Wednesday 24 August 2016 at 16:12<br>
<span style="font-weight:bold">To: </span>"<a href="mailto:NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU">NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU</a>" <<a href="mailto:NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU">NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU</a>><br>
<span style="font-weight:bold">Subject: </span>Re: *Important* NCSG 2016 Annual Elections - voting has started<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Sam<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">In general, I agree with you as well. But isn’t the nub of the problem here that after an open nomination process nobody stepped up to be a fourth candidate and challenge
the “unpopular” one (assuming there is one)? I have no idea why that happened since I’m not privy to people’s reasoning, but I would say that the lack of a fourth challenger is indicative of the lack of opposition – at least to a degree that people are willing
to put their time where their concerns are. NOTA is most closely associated with closed nomination systems where some “party apparatus” controls the nomination process and the “people” have no input in who their candidates are. [Some in the US wish we had
NOTA today! </span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Wingdings">J</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">] Where the nomination process is open and self-nomination is permitted the need for thick NOTA (or for that matter
thin NOTA) pretty much disappears ….<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> NCSG-Discuss [<a href="mailto:NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU">mailto:NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Olévié Kouami<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, August 24, 2016 6:28 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU">NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: *Important* NCSG 2016 Annual Elections - voting has started<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p>I agree with your conclusion here dear Sam. <br>
The same exercise should be done for the NPOC too. <br>
My 2.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Le 23 août 2016 10:01, "Sam Lanfranco" <<a href="mailto:lanfran@yorku.ca">lanfran@yorku.ca</a>> a écrit :<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style="font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif">NOTA is used differently in different countries and different settings. In September 2013 India’s Supreme Court upheld NOTA as a way for a voter to reject the
full slate of candidates, replacing an older process where the voter could reject the full slate, but not in confidence. The disagreement in understanding here, in this NCSG election, was whether NOTA should only apply to the whole slate, forcing a full slate
re-nomination and vote, or should apply to each individual candidate. <br>
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Unfortunately that voting process choice was not settled before the election, and it is particularly relevant when the number of candidates equals the number of positions. The usual process of simply not voting for whom one does not prefer fails to capture
the level of objection to unpopular candidates in such cases as this.<br>
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Here, for example, if the third candidate gets only 10% (or 1%) of the vote that candidate is still elected. With individual candidate NOTA a candidate with NOTA votes greater than support votes would not be elected. Of course, in this case that would leave
NCSG short one seat on the GNSO. A proper prior NCSG agreement on how to handle NOTA could handle that by, for example, calling for a subsequent election for that one seat.
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The lesson learned here is that NCSG has some voting procedure homework to do before the next NCSG election.
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Sam L NPOC/csih</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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