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    <p>+ 1 Rafik<br>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 22/08/2016 01:04, Rafik Dammak
      wrote:<br>
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cite="mid:CAH5sThkkAC0SbxsLCCBvpg-MZUudCqt0S=ObBhJMNU68EtxH2w@mail.gmail.com"
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        <div class="gmail_extra">Hi,</div>
        <div class="gmail_extra"><br>
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        <div class="gmail_extra">we constantly advocate for long time
          for Human Right dimension  at policy development in ICANN in
          generic names and we made a lot of progress in the last years
          that really surprises me when I recall reactions about the
          topic  in council till I left just 4 years. </div>
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        <div class="gmail_extra">The inclusion in the bylaws can be seen
          as a success. I may understand the concerns of some regarding
          how that can be interpreted by other, if it has any unintended
          consequences or if the language is  enough satisfactory but I
          don't see how that can be a blocking issue nor that we should
          take a conservative position toward statu quo. </div>
        <div class="gmail_extra"><br>
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        <div class="gmail_extra">we can and we are working on defining
          safeguards to mitigate the risks, via the framework of
          interpretation in the workstream 2 and the Human Rights
          subgroup. we need to  keep our commitment there with all NCSG
          volunteers.</div>
        <div class="gmail_extra"><br>
        </div>
        <div class="gmail_extra">we know by experience that we have to
          fight and work for the long run and that the inclusion is just
          a stepping stone for more work to come.</div>
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        <div class="gmail_extra">Best,</div>
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        <div class="gmail_extra">Rafik</div>
        <div class="gmail_extra"><br>
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          <div class="gmail_quote">2016-08-20 16:55 GMT+09:00 William
            Drake <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                href="mailto:wjdrake@gmail.com" target="_blank">wjdrake@gmail.com</a>></span>:<br>
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                <div>(was: A Few Take-Aways from Meet the Candidates
                  Call re: Council Transparency and Coordination)</div>
                <div><br>
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                Hi
                <div><br>
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                <div>How about we discuss the human rights issue issue
                  under this subject line?  </div>
                <div><br>
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                <div>I have to admit I that I too was puzzled by what
                  happened in Marrakech on this, both in real time and
                  after reading the transcript.  It would be good to
                  understand everyones’ views on this crucial issue.</div>
                <div><br>
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                <div>Thanks</div>
                <div><br>
                </div>
                <div>Bill</div>
                <div><br>
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                      <div>On Aug 19, 2016, at 20:52, Niels ten Oever
                        <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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                          target="_blank">lists@digitaldissidents.org</a>>
                        wrote:</div>
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                        <div>Dear all,<br>
                          <br>
                          I think Bill and Milton raised very important
                          questions concerning the<br>
                          work of the GNSO. I would like to ask two more
                          questions based on what<br>
                          Milton has already asked.<br>
                          <br>
                          I read in Ed’s statement about his strong
                          commitment to freedom of<br>
                          expression. I would like to ask again – after
                          asking this in person, in<br>
                          a session and in the +1 thread here, because I
                          believe it is important<br>
                          for us to know: Why did Ed vote, as the only
                          GNSO councilor, against the<br>
                          addition of a commitment for ICANN to respect
                          human rights to ICANN bylaws?<br>
                          This is not just about NCSG GNSO councilors,
                          but Ed was only one of ALL<br>
                          GNSO councilors to vote against the commitment
                          to human rights.<br>
                          <br>
                          And furthermore, why did Ed not discuss this
                          openly, before the vote, on<br>
                          the NCSG list. Because I think the concerns Ed
                          had were not shared<br>
                          widely within the NCSG, except for Heritage
                          and himself.<br>
                          <br>
                          I find it a problem of accountability how Ed
                          continuously seem to not<br>
                          want to discuss this openly within our
                          constituency, but does vote on<br>
                          behalf of it. Here I would like to quote the
                          charter again:<br>
                          <br>
                          "Each NCSG GNSO Council Representative shall
                          represent, within the GNSO<br>
                          Council, ICANN and its activities, the goals
                          and priorities of the NCSG<br>
                          to the best of his/her ability and in
                          accordance with the principle of<br>
                          consensus building."<br>
                          <br>
                          and:<br>
                          <br>
                          "Council Representatives will, however, be
                          expected to understand the<br>
                          varied positions in the NCSG and to explain to
                          the membership how their<br>
                          votes are in support of noncommercial
                          interests. NCSG GNSO Councilors<br>
                          should work with the NCSG‑PC to develop NCSG
                          policy positions. NCSG GNSO<br>
                          Council Representatives are expected to keep
                          the NCSG membership<br>
                          informed of policy issues before the GNSO
                          Council, to seek input from<br>
                          the NCSG membership and to be responsive to
                          member requests for<br>
                          information on matters pending before the
                          Council."<br>
                          <br>
                          Last but not least. If you look at the voting
                          history in the GNSO, it is<br>
                          clear that there is a pattern of Ed
                          structurally making other choices<br>
                          than the other NCSG GNSO councilors. I do not
                          think this is necessarily<br>
                          bad, but I do not see any explanation for this
                          reflected in Ed’s statement.<br>
                          <br>
                          Best,<br>
                          <br>
                          Niels<br>
                          <br>
                          <br>
                          On 08/19/2016 12:57 PM, Mueller, Milton L
                          wrote:<br>
                          <blockquote type="cite">I would like to raise
                            an issue that was completely avoided in our<br>
                            discussions yesterday.<br>
                            <br>
                            <br>
                            <br>
                            Probably the biggest issue facing the whole
                            ICANN environment right now<br>
                            is the IANA transition – the end of US Govt
                            control of the DNS root<br>
                            zone, and the completion of ICANN’s movement
                            toward self-governance.<br>
                            <br>
                            <br>
                            <br>
                            My sense is that the overwhelming majority
                            of us in this Stakeholder<br>
                            Group (NCSG) are in favor of the transition
                            and the accountability<br>
                            reforms associated with it. None of us
                            thinks they are perfect, of<br>
                            course, but almost all of us believe that we
                            are better off making those<br>
                            changes than sticking with the status quo.<br>
                            <br>
                            <br>
                            <br>
                            There are a few exceptions. It is clear that
                            the Heritage Foundation,<br>
                            one of our (eligible!) member organization,
                            is working very hard in<br>
                            Washington to raise obstacles to the
                            transition. It appears to me that<br>
                            one of our Council members, Ed Morris, has
                            aligned himself with the<br>
                            Heritage folks in opposing completion of the
                            transition at this time,<br>
                            though I could be wrong about that.  <br>
                            <br>
                            <br>
                            <br>
                            I think it is perfectly acceptable for there
                            to be different views<br>
                            within the NCSG. However, it’s also critical
                            for our members to know<br>
                            what they are voting for, and to have that
                            debate openly. To my mind, a<br>
                            Council member who actively works against
                            the completion of the<br>
                            transition has a dramatically different
                            vision of the nature of ICANN<br>
                            and its long term future than one who wants
                            to move ahead with the<br>
                            accountability reforms and IANA transition.<br>
                            <br>
                            <br>
                            <br>
                            Therefore it’s critical for our members to
                            know how all Councilors stand<br>
                            on this question.<br>
                            <br>
                            <br>
                            <br>
                            So I’d like to see the candidates answer
                            these questions;<br>
                            <br>
                            <br>
                            <br>
                            1.       Do you think that if the U.S.
                            Congress blocks the transition in<br>
                            the next 6 weeks that it will be a disaster
                            for the multistakeholder<br>
                            model of Internet governance? Why or why
                            not?<br>
                            <br>
                            <br>
                            <br>
                            2.       Are you actively supporting the
                            Heritage Foundation’s (and<br>
                            other rightwing groups’) efforts to mobilize
                            Congressional Republicans<br>
                            to block the transition?<br>
                            <br>
                            <br>
                            <br>
                            3.       How do you think we as a SG should
                            respond if the transition is<br>
                            blocked by the U.S. Congress?<br>
                            <br>
                            <br>
                            <br>
                            <br>
                            <br>
                            I look forward to discussion of these
                            questions by the candidates.<br>
                            <br>
                            <br>
                            <br>
                            <br>
                            <br>
                            Dr. Milton L. Mueller<br>
                            <br>
                            Professor, School of Public Policy<br>
                            <br>
                            Georgia Institute of Technology<br>
                            <br>
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                            *On Behalf Of<br>
                            *William Drake<br>
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                            *Subject:* A Few Take-Aways from Meet the
                            Candidates Call re: Council<br>
                            Transparency and Coordination<br>
                            <br>
                            <br>
                            <br>
                            Hi<br>
                            <br>
                            <br>
                            <br>
                            Yesterday’s call provided a useful
                            opportunity for dialogue on the<br>
                            candidates’ views and priorities and also
                            turned out to offer some folks<br>
                            a chance to start clearing the air, however
                            uncomfortably, regarding<br>
                            issues that arose within our Council
                            contingent the last cycle.  I’d<br>
                            like to suggest a couple take-aways in hopes
                            that we can re-set that<br>
                            which needs to be and move forward on a
                            firmer footing.  Purely my own<br>
                            views, which I guess some folks will
                            disagree with, in which case fine,<br>
                            let’s talk it out.<br>
                            <br>
                            <br>
                            <br>
                            1.  Differences of perspective among
                            Councilors are fine but these<br>
                            should be openly shared in order to preserve
                            trust. It might make sense<br>
                            for the interested parties to find some
                            congenial space in which to<br>
                            privately work through past bits of friction
                            that arose re: e.g.<br>
                            Marrakech, the GNSO chair selection, and
                            whatever else.  It doesn’t make<br>
                            sense to leave misunderstandings unresolved
                            and entrenched as it can<br>
                            impact on the effectiveness of the team
                            effort going forward. Hyderabad<br>
                            obviously offers F2F options, which are
                            likely to be the most productive<br>
                            in coming to resolutions, but it might make
                            sense not to wait entirely<br>
                            on this.<br>
                            <br>
                            <br>
                            <br>
                            2. It would be helpful if Councilors could
                            be sure to attend the monthly<br>
                            NCSG calls and proactively share their
                            thinking about upcoming Council<br>
                            meetings and votes with each other and the
                            wider membership.  In ancient<br>
                            times when I was on Council we regarded
                            these as fairly mandatory and<br>
                            tried to miss only exceptionally and with
                            notification, but more<br>
                            recently participation seems to have be
                            spottier at times (I believe the<br>
                            NCSG chair has attendance records?).  Yes
                            we’re all volunteers with day<br>
                            jobs and travels so things can happen, but
                            it shouldn’t be the case that<br>
                            people miss more than a couple per annual
                            cycle.<br>
                            <br>
                            <br>
                            <br>
                            3. In parallel, it’d be good to have greater
                            open discussion of pending<br>
                            votes and positions on the NCSG PC mail
                            list.  I’ve been on that list<br>
                            since we set it up in 2011 (first as a
                            Councilor, then as an observer)<br>
                            and think it’s under-utilized resource that
                            should work in synch with<br>
                            our monthly calls and those of the Council. 
                            Of course, issues should<br>
                            not always be sorted purely on an internal
                            PC basis; important policy<br>
                            choices at least should also be vetted on
                            ncsg-discuss so the PC is well<br>
                            informed by a feel for general member
                            sentiment, even if it’s divided.  <br>
                            <br>
                            <br>
                            <br>
                            Either way, between the monthly calls and
                            the PC, we shouldn’t have<br>
                            cases where members of the team don’t know
                            until they arrive at a<br>
                            Council meeting how their colleagues will
                            vote, or what contacts and<br>
                            representations of the group’s shared
                            positions are being made to other<br>
                            stakeholder groups, etc.  You can’t have a
                            team effort if people are<br>
                            unaware of each others’ doings.<br>
                            <br>
                            <br>
                            <br>
                            4.  Part of the PC’s challenge has always
                            been to ensure effective<br>
                            chairing, including tracking of progress on
                            open projects, herding cats,<br>
                            etc.  We’ve always appointed Councilors to
                            chair but the results have<br>
                            been variable as people are already maxed
                            out.  On yesterday’s call Ed<br>
                            made a suggestion that merits consideration:
                            having a non-Council member<br>
                            as chair, and allocating one of the NCSG
                            travel slots to this person so<br>
                            as to promote their continuous coordination
                            of the process.  It’d be<br>
                            interesting to hear views on this.<br>
                            <br>
                            <br>
                            <br>
                            5.  After-meeting reporting to the
                            membership of the issues and votes<br>
                            should be routinized.  This doesn’t have
                            involve demanding magnum opus<br>
                            treatments, a couple paragraphs one a month
                            should be sufficient and<br>
                            doable.  I’d suggested (below) that the six
                            Councilors could rotate the<br>
                            responsibility, as was briefly attempted in
                            2009-2010.  Stephanie<br>
                            counter-proposed on the call that reporting
                            be done by non-Councilors,<br>
                            in part as a way of on-boarding ‘new blood’
                            and helping to prepare folks<br>
                            to stand for Council in a future election. 
                            This could work too,<br>
                            although it may involve some extra
                            coordination to ensure every<br>
                            Councilors’ votes and views are reflected to
                            taste.  Worth a try…<br>
                            <br>
                            <br>
                            <br>
                            If we could do at least some of this, I
                            think it’d increase our team’s<br>
                            solidarity and our general members’
                            understanding of what their<br>
                            representative are up to, what’s in play in
                            the GNSO, and what the<br>
                            opportunities for engaging in working groups
                            and such are.  It’d also<br>
                            make our votes in elections more well
                            informed.<br>
                            <br>
                            <br>
                            <br>
                            Thoughts?<br>
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                            <br>
                            Bill<br>
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                               On Aug 17, 2016, at 10:39, William Drake
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                               Hi<br>
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                                   On Aug 16, 2016, at 23:38, Robin
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                                   Agreed.  It is important for members
                            to become more acquainted<br>
                                   with our representatives and resumes
                            are extremely helpful for that.<br>
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                            <br>
                               Sharing candidates’ resumes is not a bad
                            idea.  But I’d like to<br>
                               suggest we go beyond this.  Two issue we
                            might want to consider on<br>
                               tomorrow’s call:<br>
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                               When I joined Council in 2009, we
                            discussed the need for better<br>
                               reporting to members as to what their
                            reps were actually doing in<br>
                               Council.  We launched an attempt to deal
                            with this by having<br>
                               Councilors take turns doing brief reports
                            about Council meetings.<br>
                               Alas it didn’t get far, after a couple
                            times the sense of urgency<br>
                               faded, people told themselves “well,
                            members can always look at the<br>
                               Council archive to see what’s happening,"
                            and the effort drifted<br>
                               off.  But of course it’s actually not
                            easy for a member to dive<br>
                               through the Council archive and try to
                            reconstruct what’s happening,<br>
                               and it’s not so hard to compose a one or
                            two paragraph summary of a<br>
                               monthly Council meeting indicating how
                            our reps voted on which<br>
                               issues, especially if the workload is
                            rotated among six Councilors,<br>
                               making it just a few times per year
                            each.  So while it’s a bit<br>
                               uncomfortable suggesting work to be done
                            by others, I’d like to put<br>
                               this idea back on the table ahead of our
                            Meet the Candidates call<br>
                               tomorrow.  It need not be an one onerous
                            thing, and after all we<br>
                               exist to participate in the GNSO, so
                            surely we should be able to<br>
                               know how our reps are representing us in
                            the GNSO.  Especially when<br>
                               we’re being asked to vote them into
                            ‘office’ (for incumbents) on the<br>
                               basis of past performance.<br>
                            <br>
                            <br>
                            <br>
                               More generally, we have long debated the
                            matter of coordination<br>
                               among Council reps.  Unlike most if not
                            all other parts of the GNSO,<br>
                               NCSG by charter doesn’t normally do
                            ‘directed voting,’ where the<br>
                               members are bound to vote in conformity
                            with a rough consensus<br>
                               position.  We have a charter provision to
                            do this in exceptional<br>
                               cases, but I don’t recall it ever being
                            invoked.  We’ve always been<br>
                               content to operate on the notion that the
                            Councilor does what s/he<br>
                               thinks is in the best interest of civil
                            society @ GNSO, and if<br>
                               members don’t approve of anyone’s action
                            they can vote them out in<br>
                               the next cycle.  But as that has not
                            really happened, it’s sort of a<br>
                               meaningless check and balance.  And this
                            is not without consequence,<br>
                               as we’ve sometimes had internal
                            differences within our contingent<br>
                               that have arguably undermined our
                            effectiveness and credibility in<br>
                               the eyes of the community and staff, and
                            can even allow our various<br>
                               business stakeholder group counterparts
                            to exploit the differences<br>
                               in order to push through what they want
                            in opposition to our common<br>
                               baseline views.  So at a minimum, we need
                            to do better somehow at<br>
                               team coordination and make sure all our
                            Councilors know what each<br>
                               other is doing and why and so there’s no
                            real time surprises,<br>
                               especially during meetings with high
                            stakes votes.<br>
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                               Thoughts?<br>
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                               Best<br>
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                               Bill<br>
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