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<p><font size="+1"><font face="Lucida Grande">I already responded to
Niels' similar intervention during the nomination process, but
in the interests of kick-starting this, here it goes again. Apologies
for list members who are wishing to disengage from all this,
filters are your friend in that case, so may I add to Bill's
helpful renaming by suggesting we simply add NCSG to the front
of the subject line on all these topics?</font></font></p>
<p><font size="+1">Strategy regarding how to do human rights at
ICANN is difficult in my view and demands a full and open
discussion.</font></p>
<p><font size="+1">Stephanie Perrin</font><br>
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<p><font size="+1"><font face="Lucida Grande">I abstained from
expressing a view on the matter of HR in the bylaws, for
reasons which I discussed openly with all councillors and
NCSG participants on the CCWG for some time. (Anyone can be
forgiven for not noticing, as the traffic about the
transition was overwhelming in its volume and pace.) I was
concerned that the language was broad and would invite
various parties to campaign for content regulation at ICANN,
something I am strongly opposed to. However, it was a very
difficult point to explain concisely so I feared expressing
dissent on HR in the bylaws would be misconstrued as a lack
of support for human rights. IN my view, trying to make the
point in public at council would have sown confusion, and
possibly been used against my colleagues who are working so
hard on the human rights issues (notably you Niels!)</font></font></p>
<p><font size="+1">I think it is important to point out here that
disagreement on issues is very healthy. Niels and I come from
cultures where we can have frank and open disagreement without
taking matters personally. This is not the case in all
cultures, where open dissent is not considered respectful.
Somehow, we have to harmonize on ways of doing business in
NCSG, and I would like to stress that even if it is
uncomfortable for some folks, having a robust discussion with
our peers is necessary for this multi-stakeholder approach to
work. I personally don't like surprises, I expect my
colleagues to share information about their positions and
activities.</font></p>
<p><font size="+1">Stephanie Perrin</font><br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 2016-08-03 12:16, Schaefer, Brett
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<pre wrap="">Niels,
You seem to be taking this personally. Why?
We had several meetings in Morocco where went through each of the 11 recommendations and people voiced their concerns and we tried to reconcile a position. On some it was easy, others not so much. I don't recall if you attended or not.
Best,
Brett
Brett Schaefer
Jay Kingham Senior Research Fellow in International Regulatory Affairs
Margaret Thatcher Center for Freedom
Davis Institute for National Security and Foreign Policy
The Heritage Foundation
214 Massachusetts Avenue, NE
Washington, DC 20002
202-608-6097
heritage.org
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Subject: Re: +1's and support
On 08/03/2016 05:29 PM, Schaefer, Brett wrote:
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<pre wrap="">I disagree. The NCSG had various views on a number of issues in the
transition proposal. I actually though that the councilors did a
credible job of representing the diversity of views in the NCSG by
dividing their votes.
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<pre wrap="">Hi Brett,
I probably have missed the discussion on human rights (and how it relates to North Korea) on the NCSG-list, could you point me to it?
Best,
Niels
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