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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Ayden,<br>
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Thanks for your comments and questions. I will be brief. Without
some consensus around what the NCSG Policy Committee's
deliverables should be there can be no measures of performance.
Part of what has been done in the past is for the PC pull together
comments for NCSG to submit on ICANN policy documents during ICANN
comment periods. As good as that has been, it has been very ad
hoc, and frequently with inadequate time for wider NCSG input to
comments. There needs to be a polite discussion here of what the
PC should do, within the constraints of doable tasks. <br>
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As for were I got stymied,it was on proposals to get wider
constituency engagement during the comment periods toward the end
of the policy development process. Criticism was well intended and
said the push should be for early engagement in the PDPs and WGs,
and not engagement toward the end of the policy process. I saw
late engagement as an opening strategy to that end, and strategies
at both ends are not mutually exclusive. It now appears that ICANN
itself is now pushing for more constituency engagement in the
comment periods toward the end of the policy process. <br>
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The key challenge remains how to cultivate earlier, deeper and
broader engagement in ICANN's multistakeholder constituency
processes. That challenge goes well beyond the scope and focus of
the Policy Committees, and is part of ongoing NCSG/NCUC/NPOC
discussions in their own right. I suspect that the phrase
"one-on-one mentoring" might creep into that discussion. <br>
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Sam L, NPOC/csih<br>
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<i><font size="-1">On 8/19/2016 12:57 PM, Ayden Férdeline wrote:<br>
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<div><i><font size="-1">Hi Sam,<br>
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<div><i><font size="-1">Thanks for raising awareness of these
past conversations and for sharing your experience at a
top of the pyramid of the NPOC Policy Committee. Regarding
this comment:<br>
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<div><i><font size="-1">It is not that we cannot make a list
of potential deliverables, it is just that there is no
consensus on what those should be, and no working from
that to the work agenda for the Policy Committees. As
Policy Committee Chair I got (gently, or not) beaten
around the head and shoulders when I put suggestions on
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<div><i><font size="-1">For the benefit of those of us (like
myself) who have not been members of the NCSG for very long,
could you please fill us in on what these proposed
deliverables were?<br>
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<div><i><font size="-1">I'm very curious as to how we can fairly
evaluate the work of the NCSG's Policy Committee. What are
the indicators of success or failure we can use and which
reflect the values of concern to our membership? (I ask this
question rhetorically, it is something which demands input
and reflection from all of us.)<br>
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<div><i><font size="-1">Many thanks,<br>
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<div><i><font size="-1">Ayden Férdeline<br>
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<div><font color="#660000" size="-1">Subject: NCSG Policy
Committee - Chair, etc.<br>
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<div><font color="#660000" size="-1">Local Time: August 19, 2016
5:17 PM<br>
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<div><font color="#660000" size="-1">UTC Time: August 19, 2016
4:17 PM<br>
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<div><font color="#660000" size="-1">From: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:lanfran@YORKU.CA">lanfran@YORKU.CA</a><br>
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<div><font color="#660000" size="-1">To:
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU">NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU</a><br>
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<div><font color="#660000" size="-1">All,<br>
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<div><font color="#660000" size="-1">This is a follow up to
Avri's comments. I hate changing the subject line on a
thread but I have done it here because I think there is an
issue residing behind Avri's comment <i>"..the reason the
monthly</i><i><br>
</i><i>meetings have not worked is because the PC members,
especially the council members, do not make
participating a priority - no knock against the current
members, over the years, the members never have."<br>
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</i>My comments are based on serving (badly) as Chair of
the NPOC Policy Committee. Despite what is written in
Charters, etc. there is no clear understanding of what the
Policy Committees at this level should actually be doing
in terms of deliverables. It is not that we cannot make a
list of potential deliverables, it is just that there is
no consensus on what those should be, and no working from
that to the work agenda for the Policy Committees. As
Policy Committee Chair I got (gently, or not) beaten
around the head and shoulders when I put suggestions on
the table. Most of the criticism said simply, to use
Stephanie Perrin's term, "recruit more worker bees for
PDPs & WGs". Even some proposed strategies to deliver
that outcome were trounced, although I see that ICANN
itself is now trying some of them. </font></div>
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<div><font color="#660000" size="-1">This is not to criticize
people, or offer excuses, it is just to underscore the
need for a discussion here. I will not presume what the
NCSG Policy Committee should focus on in terms of
deliverables, but I do think that a healthy discussion of
what that might be is needed. <br>
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