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<p>Dear Ayden, Dear listmembers<br>
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<p>I think this is a good discussion. Yes, it looks like we are
stuck in regional definitions that simply do not reflect the real
world we are living in. I lived for more then 10 years in Ecuador,
(I am an Ecuadorian citizen, besides my other citizenships) and
India each, I spend long times in North America, I never see
myself as a German, but as a Hessian first and as a European
second. What am I? I think with regard to diversity we need to
make sure that under developed regions are well represented, but
we can not base things on pieces of paper that belong in the old
pre digital revolution world. Something to put on the list for
future charter changes.<br>
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<p>Yours</p>
<p>Klaus<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 8/4/2016 7:35 AM, Ayden Férdeline
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<div>Greetings all,</div>
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<div>I wanted to pull out a comment from an email that
Marília sent to the list yesterday:</div>
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<div><font face="arial, sans-serif"><span
style="font-size: 12.8px; line-height: normal;">Having
consulted staff, I was informed that ICANN
considers that someone's region is: a) the country
of your citizenship; b) the country where you pay
your taxes. For me, neither of these parameters
have changed. My citizenship is the same and I
will pay my taxes in Brazil. Others with
more experience could confirm if this is correct
and consistent with previous NCSG practice. I
believe that a discussion about criteria among us
would be useful and I am ok with any decision we
made as a group, which should be consistently
applied.</span></font><br>
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<div>This is an interesting discussion to be had, and I
think it is one which we as a community need to have
because at the community level, we <i>are</i> able to
flexibly apply geographic diversity principles. ICANN's
Geographic Regions Framework only sets in stone the
scenario Marília described (citizenship requirement and
country of domicile) for Board members.</div>
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<div>I may be mistaken but I do not
believe this same definition applies to all other ICANN
sub-structures. Rather,
community participation in the SO-ACs is encouraged and
supported, but there is
an understanding that individual communities are in the
best
position to craft unique operational solutions that
honour the central goal of fostering
diversity within their operations and individual
leadership teams. So I'm presuming our elections require
the election of people from different regions because
we've set this out in the NCSG charter or NCUC/NPOC
bylaws?</div>
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<div>This flexibility is an idea I have wrestled with but
have come to support, because while a
strict adherence to certain, arbitrarily-set standards
might be a good outcome
for some SO-AC structures, I doubt the inflexibility of
such a requirement
would be in our best interest.</div>
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<div>I am
firmly in support of diversity. It is something that
should be fostered and
encouraged at all levels. I also am strongly in support
of ICANN’s efforts to internationalise.
Where I disagree, however, is with the idea that we can
rely on one’s citizenship or country of residence to
produce diversity. It is something which should be
considered, but human
diversity is far too complex to be narrowed down to just
this metric.</div>
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<div>To draw on
my own personal experience – and I feel this is an issue
not isolated to only a
handful of instances – my citizenship is Australian, but
I live in the UK and
have previously lived in Canada, Indonesia, and
Argentina, among a few other
places. The idea, however, that if I was in a leadership
role that I could
represent my ‘home region’ when I am not a long-term
resident of a country in Asia-Pacific
strikes me as a little disingenuous. Checking off a
passport might be an easy
way of measuring diversity but I don’t think it
genuinely achieves diversity.
Likewise, I don’t consider measuring one's residency in
a country to necessarily be a better
path forward. An expat living abroad, with no
understanding of that region’s
culture, people, and/or languages has no legitimacy, in
my eyes, to represent
that region.</div>
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<div>I am NOT
insinuating that this is the case for any of our past or
current elected representatives;
I just want to flag this as a conversation we might want
to have at some point
in time, because to measure the diversity of those in
our leadership roles on
the basis of their citizenship or residency in a country
alone could place our
diversity goals in danger. </div>
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</font></div>
<div>Does anyone have any ideas as to what could be a
better path forward?</div>
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<div>Best wishes,</div>
<div><font><br>
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<div>Ayden </div>
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<div class="gmail_quote"> On Wed, Aug 3, 2016 12:06 PM,
Marilia Maciel <span dir="ltr"> <a
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<div>Dear Avri, dear all, <br>
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</div>
I just would like to make a comment on something that
was mentioned before.<br>
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<div>
<div><br>
<div>On Tue, Aug 2, 2016 at 11:05 PM, avri
doria <span dir="ltr"><<a
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href="mailto:avri@acm.org"
target="_blank">avri@acm.org</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
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> The NCSG is assigned six (6) GNSO
Council seats through the ICANN<br>
> Bylaws. All NCSG GNSO Council
representatives will be directly voted<br>
> on by the full membership of the NCSG
using weighted voting as defined<br>
> in Section 4. To the maximum extent
possible, no more than two (2)<br>
> NCSG GNSO Council Representatives can
be declared resident of the same<br>
> geographic region as defined by
ICANN. Reasonable efforts should be<br>
> taken to recruit nominees so that all
geographical regions may be<br>
> represented by the NCSG GNSO Council
Representatives. Reasonable<br>
> efforts should also be taken to
ensure gender balance and in no<br>
> circumstance should there be fewer
than 2 members of any gender.<br>
<br>
Our incumbents are Marilia ( recently
moved to Europe) , Stefania (<br>
Europe) and Amr (having moved back to
Egypt) , which at the moment might<br>
mean we already have 2 Europeans and 1
African, but no LAC, NA or AP<br>
continuing, with one NA continuing. We
may not have an available<br>
European seat. We do seem, though, to
have a male seat.<br>
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<div>Having consulted staff, I was informed
that ICANN considers that someone's region
is: a) the country of your citizenship; b)
the country where you pay your taxes. For
me, neither of these parameters have
changed. My citzenship is the same and I
will pay my taxes in Brazil. Others with
more experience could confirm if this is
correct and consistent with previous NCSG
practice. I believe that a discussion
about criteria among us would be useful
and I am ok with any decision we made as a
group, which should be consistently
applied.<br>
<br>
</div>
<div>In any case, it is important to clarify
that I started in my new position only
yesterday, as annouced here: <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.diplomacy.edu/blog/diplo">http://www.diplomacy.edu/blog/diplo</a>’s-ig-team-welcomes-new-staff-members
and consequently, my SOI will be updated
in the following days. <br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>All the best wishes,<br>
</div>
<div>Marilia<br>
</div>
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avri<br>
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<div><br>
On 01-Aug-16 08:13, Kathy Kleiman
wrote:<br>
><br>
> Dear All,<br>
><br>
> I am honored to nominate Edward
Morris as European representative for<br>
> the NCSG on the GNSO Council.<br>
><br>
> Ed currently holds this position
and, as we have seen, he takes his<br>
> job very seriously. Ed works
tirelessly as an NCSG representative
in<br>
> the Council's job of overseeing
the policy development process. He<br>
> fights to ensure that Issues
Report and Charters – key documents
that<br>
> kick off a new Policy Development
Processes – are fair and balanced.<br>
> He works with our NCSG Counselors
and others to guide well-developed<br>
> policies (developed by the
Working Groups) to the Board for
adoption<br>
> (without the changes and
circumvention some parties often seek
to add).<br>
><br>
> Ed is a leader in the
cross-cutting work of Council where he
has led<br>
> our GNSO response to ICANN's
Budget with an in-depth review and<br>
> critique, and key recommendations
for changes. He regularly serves on<br>
> Council subgroups working on
responses to the issues the GNSO faces<br>
> within ICANN.<br>
><br>
> We know Ed best in the last two
years as a leader in the CCWG process<br>
> fighting for Transparency,
Accountability and Free Expression.
The<br>
> thousands of hours he spent on
these issue (alongside Robin, Matt and<br>
> so many others) were critical to
the provisions and bylaws adopted.<br>
><br>
> As we continue the Transition,
and three major Policy Development<br>
> Processes (Registration Directory
Services, Rights Protection<br>
> Mechanisms Review and New gTLD
Subsequent Procedures) now in
progress,<br>
> this is a great time to continue
our outstanding leadership. Ed is a<br>
> tireless advocate for our NCSG
interests on Council and throughout<br>
> ICANN. He is an attorney
specializing in politics &
government, free<br>
> expression, intellectual property
and cybersecurity and whose advocacy<br>
> and legal skills are needed in
this important time of change and<br>
> trasition. His passion, advocacy
skills, drafting skills, and<br>
> Multistakeholder vision are
well-known.<br>
><br>
</div>
</div>
> /My great thanks to Ed for his
passion, commitment and thousands of<br>
<span>> hours of work for NCSG on
Council, and I hereby submit Ed Morris'
name<br>
> to you for a second term as our
European representative on the GNSO<br>
</span><span>> Council. /<br>
><br>
> Best regards,<br>
><br>
> Kathy Kleiman<br>
<br>
<br>
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