<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class="">Sam you don’t sound one key to me. But your comment does point to one small matter…many of the folks have insisted that <div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">a] ICANN stick to a narrow construction of its mandate and role and that a big chunk of what governments and other stakeholders around the world care about is hence to be dealt with ‘somewhere else;’ </div><div class="">b] every effort to create a new multistakeholder processes that could maybe grow to help be that somewhere else has been undesirable on some grounds or another; </div><div class="">c] every effort to create a new intergovernmental processes that could maybe grow to help be that somewhere else has been undesirable on some grounds or another.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Which leaves us back with the same discussions from 2330-2005 replaying over and over and many G77 governments unhappy and China and the ITU and others working to fill perceive voids etc. Some believe that industrialized country governments and business can just keep saying nothing is needed other than extant international/transnational arrangements and national policies, but to other ears this just sounds like a control game. We’ll see how long this status quo can be maintained.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Bill<br class=""><div class=""> <div class=""><div class=""><br class=""><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Jun 6, 2016, at 14:39, Sam Lanfranco <<a href="mailto:Lanfran@yorku.ca" class="">Lanfran@yorku.ca</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class="">
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">I may sound like a piano with one key
in re-making the following (possibly unpopular) observation:<br class="">
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The Internet ecosystem has matured over the past 15 years and more
and more stakeholders, including nation states, have acquired a
deeper realization of what their stakes are in the boarder
Internet ecosystem. Much of that territory is outside ICANN's
remit and presents them with governance issues. There is no doubt
that a sort of Internet ecosystem "enclosure movement" is coming,
with elements national and multilateral ecosystem governance on
the horizon. Within this there is a confusion around what is, and
what is not, within ICANN's DNS remit. So long as stakeholders
outside ICANN do not understand the scope and limits of ICANN's
remit there will be confusion on the part of nation states and
other stakeholder constituencies as they operate in their
individual interest and the public interest. This increases the
risks of working at cross purposes where there should be
collaboration. Are there any lessons in this confusion? I think
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<li class="">As ICANN stakeholders work hard and in earnest on issues
within ICANN's remit, more attention must be paid to helping
others understand the limits of ICANN's remit, and not just to
understand better what ICANN does within its remit. <br class="">
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<li class="">We have to help stakeholders within ICANN and within the
wider Internet ecosystem (including ICANN) that it is
important to help shape and participate in those governance
processes that reside beyond ICANN's remit. </li>
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<font color="#cc0000" class="">On 6/6/2016 5:07 AM, William Drake wrote:</font><br class="">
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Kleinwächter, Wolfgang <<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:wolfgang.kleinwaechter@medienkomm.uni-halle.de" class="">wolfgang.kleinwaechter@medienkomm.uni-halle.de</a>>
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inline !important;" class="">My understanding is that
UNDESA has no bad intentions or does not plan a
"conspiracy" against the IGF. They are just doing their
"business as usual". And they have not yet understood
that the 21st century is different from the 20th
century. They have not yet understood that the
multistakeholder model is not based on the principle of
national sovereignty of UN member states but on
principles like openess, transparency, equal Access for
all governmental and non-governmental stakeholderrs,
bottom up policy development, rough consenus and running
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