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<div><font>Hi Avri,</font></div><div><font><br>Thanks for your message. Just to clarify, when I said 'you', I was referring more broadly to all those who ultimately participate in the retreat. I thought the comment about recordings was to do with the retreat, not the MAG meetings, but looking back on the thread now I see this was a mistake on my part. There are so many emails in my inbox about this retreat that the conversations are starting to blend into one. That being said, I would hope there would be recordings retained and transcripts provided of the facilitated conversations which ultimately take place at the retreat. I hope this does not prove to be wishful thinking on my part.</font></div><div><font><br>Thanks,</font></div><div><font><br></font></div><div><font>Ayden </font></div><div>
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On Fri, Jun 3, 2016 10:44 PM, avri doria <span dir="ltr"> <a href="mailto:avri@APC.ORG" target="_blank">avri@APC.ORG</a></span>
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<p>Hi,</p><p><br></p><p>I do not mind being shot as a messenger. Always expect it.</p><p><br></p><p>Though I am wondering who you are referring to with 'you' in your message.</p><p><br></p><p>Remember it is a DESA affair: not part of the IGF, just about the IGF. </p><p>The MAG has little to do with it except for ask questions.</p><p><br></p><p>BTW, the discussion of recording had to do with of the MAG calls. I</p><p>have heard no discussion about recording the retreat. Fortunately you</p><p>will have the opportunity to send DESA your message when they ask for</p><p>contributions. </p><p><br></p><p>avri</p><p><br></p><p>On 03-Jun-16 08:04, Ayden Férdeline wrote:</p><p>> Thanks for providing this update, Avri.</p><p>></p><p>> I don't want to shoot the messenger, but like Seun I find the comment</p><p>> about the recordings not to be a very compelling one.</p><p>></p><p>> I have no issue with a retreat that brings together the right people,</p><p>> at the right time, for the right reasons, with the right process. I</p><p>> see this as an opportunity for the IGF to take stock, build the</p><p>> strategic muscle needed to see the IGF in new and refreshed ways, and</p><p>> to give a turbo boost to certain matters that need attention.</p><p>></p><p>> I have been silent on this issue for the past fortnight because I</p><p>> believe that extraneous participation benefits no one. If people don’t</p><p>> have a vested interest in the process, don’t have the knowledge to</p><p>> contribute, and there’s no need to build their buy-in, it may not be</p><p>> useful for them to attend the retreat, online or in person.</p><p>></p><p>> However, there is no reason for activities that will lead to meaty</p><p>> discussions and, in turn, outcomes that will impact people outside of</p><p>> the room, to not be recorded. There should be full transcripts made</p><p>> available of all conversations facilitated by the organisers. I also</p><p>> oppose the use of the Chatham House rule at the retreat — if your idea</p><p>> is so great, say it on the record and attribute it to your name and/or</p><p>> organisation. You are being entrusted to shape the future direction of</p><p>> the IGF for the next 10 years, so there should be a full and accurate</p><p>> record of events so we can look back, check in every year, and keep</p><p>> your work alive.</p><p>></p><p>> Just my $0.02.</p><p>></p><p>> Ayden </p><p>></p><p>></p><p>></p><p>> On Fri, Jun 3, 2016 12:31 PM, William Drake wjdrake@GMAIL.COM</p><p>> <mailto:wjdrake@GMAIL.COM> wrote:</p><p>></p><p>> Hi</p><p>></p><p>> Thanks Shane. I’m familiar with the rule. We don’t use it in the</p><p>> IGF, for various reasons, at least not since the early tense days</p><p>> of the MAG.</p><p>></p><p>> Bill</p><p>></p><p>></p><p>>> On Jun 3, 2016, at 12:13, Shane Kerr <shane@time-travellers.org</p><p>>> <mailto:shane@time-travellers.org>> wrote:</p><p>>></p><p>>> William,</p><p>>></p><p>>> At 2016-06-03 11:13:55 +0200</p><p>>> William Drake <wjdrake@GMAIL.COM <mailto:wjdrake@gmail.com>> wrote:</p><p>>></p><p>>>>> On Jun 3, 2016, at 02:06, avri doria <avri@apc.org</p><p>>>>> <mailto:avri@apc.org>> wrote:</p><p>>>>></p><p>>>>> Chatham House style (content w/o attribution) </p><p>>>></p><p>>>> In true bottom up transparent community driven IGF fashion….not.</p><p>>></p><p>>> To be honest, that doesn't seem too horrible. The Chatham House</p><p>>> rule is</p><p>>> there for a reason:</p><p>>></p><p>>> Q. What are the benefits of using the Rule?</p><p>>></p><p>>> A. It allows people to speak as individuals, and to express views</p><p>>> that may not be those of their organizations, and therefore it</p><p>>> encourages free discussion. People usually feel more relaxed if</p><p>>> they don't have to worry about their reputation or the</p><p>>> implications</p><p>>> if they are publicly quoted.</p><p>>></p><p>>> https://www.chathamhouse.org/about/chatham-house-rule</p><p>>></p><p>>> Cheers,</p><p>>></p><p>>> --</p><p>>> Shane - speaking only for myself ;)</p><p>></p><p>></p><p>> *************************************************************</p><p>> William J. Drake</p><p>> International Fellow & Lecturer</p><p>> Media Change & Innovation Division, IPMZ</p><p>> University of Zurich, Switzerland</p><p>> william.drake@uzh.ch</p><p>> <mailto:william.drake@uzh.ch> (direct), wjdrake@gmail.com</p><p>> <mailto:wjdrake@gmail.com> (lists),</p><p>> www.williamdrake.org <http://www.williamdrake.org></p><p>> /The Working Group on Internet Governance - 10th</p><p>> Anniversary Reflections/</p><p>> New book at http://amzn.to/22hWZxC</p><p>> *************************************************************</p><p>></p><p>></p><p>></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p>---</p><p>This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software.</p><p>https://www.avast.com/antivirus</p><p><br></p>
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