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<div>Hi Sam et al,<br><br>Thanks for your interesting comments. I like that you've started from the basic question of why do we even have or need regions. I've been thinking about that this morning - I think geographical boundaries and ensuring diversity here <i>matters</i>, but I struggle to understand <i>how much</i> it matters. As best I can tell, ICANN established regions to ensure 'diversity' on the Board of Directors, and from that the regions have come to be seen as a mechanism for ensuring population diversity in ICANN activities. As Milton noted there are other areas where we can forge commonalities (languages, economic grounds, cultural factors) -- and probably more effectively -- so should we ask for a new regions framework (rather than a geographic regions framework)?</div><div><br></div><div>There is now a <a href="https://links8.mixmaxusercontent.com/aMjjKHWxnLSD3SEwj/l/JEQC8TeAsC0qGXU5i?rn=&re=gI1RWZuIXez5idyV2c0NXasB0UTV1QTlERtc0UD5kI">second draft</a> of our statement on Google Docs. For those who have read the first draft, the only additions are paragraphs 3, 4, 5, and 7. I think paragraphs 5 and 7 could be a little contentious. I'm not precious about language; if anyone would like to revise or reword it, please do. This is just a draft. Once I have some feedback from the community on these points, I'll look to strengthen the conclusion of the statement in a third draft by adding some 'asks'. Please feel free to edit the document and to add new bullet points or arguments I may have missed.</div><div><br></div><div>The deadline for consultation responses on this report is 24 April. I'd like to get a 3rd draft ready by next Tuesday (12 April) with a view to submitting this to the Comments Forum on 19 April.</div><div><br></div><div>https://docs.google.com/document/d/1-c2vVT2DNO73l89wfZTvKtY70rmaid8g7XBO-Vto9SM/edit?usp=sharing </div><div><br></div><div>I welcome and look forward to hearing your thoughts.</div><div><br></div><div>Best wishes,</div><div><br></div><div>Ayden</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div class="mixmax_signature"><div>Ayden Férdeline</div><div><a href="https://links9.mixmaxusercontent.com/aMjjKHWxnLSD3SEwj/l/e3EDUop1PCnj8vOFA?rn=&re=gI1RWZuIXez5idyV2c0NXasB0UTV1QTlERtc0UD5kI" style="background-color: white;">Statement of Interest</a></div></div><img align="left" width="0" height="0" style="border:0; width:0px; height:0px;" src="https://app.mixmax.com/api/track/v2/e3wiiIIea3igc2rcZ/i02bj5SZulGblRmclZGQu5WYjlmI/gI1RWZuIXez5idyV2c0NXasB0UTV1QTlERtc0UD5kI/?sc=false" alt="">
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On Thu, Mar 31, 2016 10:08 PM, Sam Lanfranco <span dir="ltr"> <a href="mailto:lanfran@yorku.ca" target="_blank">lanfran@yorku.ca</a></span>
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<div>All,<br>
<br>
I fear that here I am with my "keep it simple" hat on again.
Working with organizations that had to carve the globe up into
regions, two easy lessons learned are: One borrowed from design
=> Form follows Function. Why does the organization need
regions and what does the organization intend to do on a
region-by-region basis? The other is that no scheme is perfect.
Some regions will have no home (usually for geopolitical reasons)
and some will be settled in a home with less than full consensus
(for practical or geopolitical reasons). One source of conflict is
that regional designation may come with entitlements, for example
funds or votes from the designating body. Struggles over
entitlements should not dominate the core issues of why and what
for. <br>
<br>
For the remit of ICANN with regard to, for example, data retention
issues, the nature of local legal structures need not be an ICANN
factor in designating regions. When an issue such as data
retention policy in the European Community boils to the top, the
stakeholder regions self-organize to represent themselves around
the issue, irrespective of how ICANN has organized the regions. As
well, appealing to a law based scheme is problematic. For example,
even figuring out where to put Canada in a law based scheme
is difficult. Parts of Canadian law come from the English (and
Scots) common law system<b style="mso-bidi-font-weight:normal">.
<span style="mso-spacerun:yes"></span></b>Independently Quebec
retains a civil private law system. The responsibilities of public
<span style="mso-spacerun:yes"> </span>and private law are
separated and exercised
exclusively by the Parliament and the provinces respectively.
Canada's engagement, as a country, in any ICANN issue,will be
determined by the nature of the issue, not by it's ICANN regional
designation. If its position is based on ICANN conflicts with
national laws, so be it. That is the issue to be addressed. <br>
<br>
Lastly, if there were no ICANN entitlements would there still be a
regional designation issue?<br>
<br>
Sam L.<o:p></o:p><br>
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On 31/03/2016 4:11 PM, Ayden Férdeline wrote:<br>
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<div>Hi Kathy,</div>
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Thanks for your comments. I just wanted to pick up on
something; you mentioned that (similar, presumably)
legal structures should be one of our guiding
instruments in the new geographic regions framework.
What were you thinking of here? That in the GAC, ICANN
should be measuring how many members have common and
civil law along with, say, Sharia law provisions, in
relation to the total number of countries in the world
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<div>I am not a lawyer so my understanding of this topic
is very limited: I thought every country's legal system
had its own identity - though some have been <font>inherited
from or influenced by colonialism, or another factor -
so I'm not certain as to what we would be trying to
achieve here. What type of diversity would you like to
see in terms of legal structures?</font></div>
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<div>Many thanks,</div>
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Ayden</div>
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