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Be of good cheer Ayden, I find your questions to be perfectly
relevant and sane. It is extremely frustrating to have these two
separate PDPs lumbering forward as we start work on WHO2. And for
the Registrars/Registries, who are being expected to build things by
one PDP that are planned for obsolescence in the other PDP...well we
can see why they were a bit grumpy in the open session in
Marrakech. It is hard to keep up with this stuff. <br>
I think we are ok not commenting. We don't have the bandwidth to
scurry around making the same points that have already been
effectively made, however nice it might be to support our
colleagues. The Charter of the WHO2 gives us plenty of leeway to
change the policy despite what happened in these two PDPs, in my
view, although we will not be able to roll back Thick WHOIS.<br>
Stephanie Perrin<br>
PS I think there is a valid distinction between RDS (registration
data services) and RDDS (registration data <b>directory</b>
services) but I am not sure that the two terms are used with that
distinction in mind in most cases. As for the Yes Minister
skit....too bad you missed the WHOIS conflicts with law working
group. It was classic....worth listening to the recordings of our
calls....<br>
<br>
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<div><font style="font-size: 13px;" size="2">Hello, all-</font></div>
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<div><font style="font-size: 13px;" size="2">Thank you to
all who have commented in this thread. I have been
trying to get up to speed on this topic today and have
found your comments to be an extremely useful primer —
and a special thank you to Amr for clarifying that we
actually have two different topics out for public
comment (though the distinction between the two still
isn't entirely clear to me, nor is the distinction
between the acronyms 'RDDS' and 'RDS' which seem to be
used in similar contexts by different stakeholders).</font></div>
<div><font style="font-size: 13px;" size="2"><br>
</font></div>
<div><font style="font-size: 13px;" size="2">From what I
have heard about the history of WHOIS/RDS/RDDS
systems, the community has invested significant
resources over the past two decades only to achieve
minimal change. We now have the Next-Generation
Registration Directory Service PDP working group where
we have the capacity to make real, meaningful
recommendations. Why, then, would we respond to either
of these consultations which could prejudice the
working group's capacity to comprehensively reform how
and when domain name registration data is collected
and shared? (I feel like this question has been asked
by someone else but I cannot remember who — apologies
for the lack of attribution.)</font></div>
<div><font style="font-size: 13px;" size="2"><br>
</font></div>
<div><font style="font-size: 13px;" size="2">If we were to
comment — and I know that Marília has said we are not
in a position to do so today because we do not quite
have consensus, and I would like to echo that stance
because I don't think we should be responding out of
principle to either of these consultations — I'd like
to add on to what Sana said by suggesting that we lay
out our stance on minimisation in two respects:
firstly, on data, and secondly, on the use of
community resources ;-) . </font></div>
<div><font style="font-size: 13px;" size="2"><br>
</font></div>
<div><font style="font-size: 13px;" size="2">To the former
this has been hammered home by quite a few
respondents, and I particularly liked how Antoin
Verschuren (a registrar) in his submission implied if
the registrar registration expiration date was to be
stored in the open registration directory service,
what could be next - the registrant's credit card
expiry date? There has to be a limit somewhere and a
move to make data in the registrar-registrant
contract, public, is not the path I would want us to
be going down. The less data collected the better, in
my view. </font></div>
<div><font style="font-size: 13px;" size="2"><br>
</font></div>
<div><font style="font-size: 13px;" size="2">To the second
point on community resources, if we have two topics so
similar out for public comment (and from reading the
submitted comments, it seems quite a few respondents
are treating them as one and the same), perhaps they
could have been amalgamated in the first place? And
why are we even discussing these issues when we have
over 100 community members actively participating in
the Next-Generation RDS PDP working group? I hope we
are not living a <a moz-do-not-send="true"
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from Yes Minister</a> where a WG has been formed
merely to go through the 'charade of discussions'…</font></div>
<div><font style="font-size: 13px;" size="2"><br>
</font></div>
<div><font style="font-size: 13px;" size="2">I hope I am
not contributing to any confusion here with my
comments. I just wanted to put it on the record within
our mailing list at least that I don't think we need
to be responding to either of these consultations
given the activities being explored by the
Next-Generation RDS PDP working group.</font></div>
<div><font style="font-size: 13px;" size="2"><br>
</font></div>
<div><font style="font-size: 13px;" size="2">Best wishes,</font></div>
<div><font style="font-size: 13px;" size="2"><br>
</font></div>
<div><font style="font-size: 13px;" size="2">Ayden
Férdeline</font></div>
<div class="gmail_extra"><br>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Mar 18, 2016 at 3:14
PM, Sana Ali <span dir="ltr"><<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:sana.ali2030@gmail.com"
target="_blank"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:sana.ali2030@gmail.com">sana.ali2030@gmail.com</a></a>></span>
wrote:<br>
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<div style="word-wrap:break-word">Count my
endorsement in for this. Perhaps we can include
what our general stance is (minimization)?
<div>Thanks, Marilia.</div>
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<div>On Mar 18, 2016, at 10:46 AM,
Marilia Maciel <<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:mariliamaciel@GMAIL.COM"
target="_blank"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:mariliamaciel@GMAIL.COM">mariliamaciel@GMAIL.COM</a></a>>
wrote:</div>
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<div dir="ltr"><font face="arial,
helvetica, sans-serif">Dear all,
following the support on the list,
I have put together the following
short and sweet text and have
called for consensus on it. Any
suggestions?</font>
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sans-serif"><br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font
face="arial, helvetica,
sans-serif">Comments from the
Non-commercial Stakeholder
Group (NCSG) on the public
comment period related to the
“Registration Data
Access Protocol (RDAP)
Operational Profile for gTLD
Registries and
Registrars”</font></p>
<div><font face="arial, helvetica,
sans-serif"> </font><br>
</div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font
face="arial, helvetica,
sans-serif">Thank you for the
opportunity to provide public
comment on the Registration
Data Access Protocol (RDAP)
Operational Profile for
gTLD Registries and
Registrars.</font></p>
<div><font face="arial, helvetica,
sans-serif"> </font><br>
</div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font
face="arial, helvetica,
sans-serif">NCSG would like to
give support to the points
that have been raised by the
Internet Architecture Board
(IAB) in their
contribution to this
consultation, which can be
found at: <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://forum.icann.org/lists/comments-rdap-profile-03dec15/msg00001.html"
target="_blank"><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://forum.icann.org/lists/">https://forum.icann.org/lists/</a><wbr>comments-rdap-profile-03dec15/<wbr>msg00001.html</a></font></p>
<div><font face="arial, helvetica,
sans-serif"> </font><br>
</div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font
face="arial, helvetica,
sans-serif">Particularly, the
NCSG would like to stress the
importance of specifying the
RDAP Profile in a way that
leaves<font color="#1a1a1a">
the broadest range of
options to the PDP on
next-generation
gTLD registration directory
services from a policy
perspective.</font></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font
color="#1a1a1a"><font
face="arial, helvetica,
sans-serif"><br>
</font></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font
face="arial, helvetica,
sans-serif"><font
color="#1a1a1a">Best wishes,</font></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font
color="#1a1a1a"><font
face="arial, helvetica,
sans-serif">Marília </font></font></p>
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<div class="gmail_extra"><br>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Mar
18, 2016 at 11:26 AM, Matthew
Shears <span dir="ltr"><<a
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href="mailto:mshears@cdt.org"
target="_blank"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:mshears@cdt.org">mshears@cdt.org</a></a>></span>
wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote"
style="margin:0 0 0
.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc
solid;padding-left:1ex">Good
thought Desiree. Others?
<div>
<div><br>
<br>
On Friday, 18 March 2016,
Desiree Miloshevic <<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:dmiloshevic@afilias.info"
target="_blank"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:dmiloshevic@afilias.info">dmiloshevic@afilias.info</a></a>>
wrote:<br>
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class="gmail_quote"
style="margin:0 0 0
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solid;padding-left:1ex">I
endorsed IAB statement
since we may all end up
there in the end.<br>
While the IAB suggests
differentiated access
regarding data exposure, I
do find that<br>
google's comment too is
worth supporting, e.g.
not to offer public access
to the data.<br>
<br>
>>> <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://forum.icann.org/lists/comments-rdap-profile-03dec15/pdfXEuYViKmu4.pdf"
target="_blank"><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://forum.icann.org/lists/">http://forum.icann.org/lists/</a><wbr>comments-rdap-profile-03dec15/<wbr>pdfXEuYViKmu4.pdf</a><br>
<br>
The overarching principle
is minimisation, and to
set aside the RDAP and let
registries/registrars<br>
deploy them on
experimental basis and let
the Next Gen PDP WG
develop the rest.<br>
<br>
So perhaps a little bit
more nuances before just
endorsing (differentiated)
access to the data
immediately?<br>
Others may have spent more
time on this issue and may
know better...<br>
<br>
Desiree<br>
--<br>
<br>
On 18 Mar 2016, at 11:48,
Amr Elsadr <<a
moz-do-not-send="true"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:aelsadr@EGYPTIG.ORG">aelsadr@EGYPTIG.ORG</a></a>>
wrote:<br>
<br>
> Hi,<br>
><br>
> I think it’s a great
comment, and support the
NCSG endorsing it.<br>
><br>
> Thanks.<br>
><br>
> Amr<br>
><br>
>> On Mar 18, 2016,
at 11:12 AM, Marilia
Maciel <<a
moz-do-not-send="true"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:mariliamaciel@gmail.com">mariliamaciel@gmail.com</a></a>>
wrote:<br>
>><br>
>> Thanks, Wendy.
Others? Just reminding
everyone that the deadline
is today, 23:59 UTC.<br>
>> Best wishes<br>
>> M<br>
>><br>
>> On Fri, Mar 18,
2016 at 6:05 AM, Wendy
Seltzer <<a
moz-do-not-send="true"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:wendy@seltzer.com">wendy@seltzer.com</a></a>>
wrote:<br>
>> I support
endorsing the IAB comment.<br>
>><br>
>> --Wendy<br>
>><br>
>> On 03/17/2016
01:53 PM, Marilia Maciel
wrote:<br>
>>> Hi James,
thanks for the
clarifications you
provided.<br>
>>><br>
>>> Based on this
information and
considering the little
time we have, the<br>
>>> question
seems to be: should NCSG
endorse IAB's comment on
RDAP? It would<br>
>>> be great if
our members, specially
those in our policy
committee, could<br>
>>> share their
views on the next hours.<br>
>>><br>
>>> Thanks!<br>
>>> Marília<br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>> On Thu, Mar
17, 2016 at 5:24 AM, Shane
Kerr <<a
moz-do-not-send="true"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:shane@time-travellers.org">shane@time-travellers.org</a></a>><br>
>>> wrote:<br>
>>><br>
>>>> All,<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> At
2016-03-17 09:22:34 +0100<br>
>>>> Shane
Kerr <<a
moz-do-not-send="true"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:shane@time-travellers.org">shane@time-travellers.org</a></a>>
wrote:<br>
>>>><br>
>>>>> I'm
not sure the NCUC
necessarily needs to have
an opinion about the<br>
>>>>>
technology itself, and can
happily wait and weigh in
on the parts that<br>
>>>>>
matter to us.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> Of course
I meant NCSG. I blame
decaffeinated coffee.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> Cheers,<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> --<br>
>>>> Shane<br>
>>>><br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>>
______________________________<wbr>_________________<br>
>>> PC-NCSG
mailing list<br>
>>> <a
moz-do-not-send="true"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:PC-NCSG@ipjustice.org">PC-NCSG@ipjustice.org</a></a><br>
>>> <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://mailman.ipjustice.org/listinfo/pc-ncsg"
target="_blank"><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://mailman.ipjustice.org/">http://mailman.ipjustice.org/</a><wbr>listinfo/pc-ncsg</a><br>
>>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> --<br>
>> Wendy Seltzer --
<a moz-do-not-send="true">wendy@seltzer.org</a><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> --<br>
>> Marília Maciel<br>
>> Pesquisadora
Gestora - Centro de
Tecnologia e Sociedade -
FGV Direito Rio<br>
>> Researcher and
Coordinator - Center for
Technology & Society -
FGV Law School<br>
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