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    The reminder (Avri claims it is only a reminder) is very important
    IMO. <br>
    <br>
    I can not attest to have experience in treaty/bylaws/whatever
    negotiations, but i do have a small experience with collective
    bargaining labor agreements (and follow ups of real life impacts of
    such small changes in CLAs) and i can assure you that reminders and
    redundancies (or lack thereof) are righfully so a major area of
    contention. Rightfully so because you can be certain that parties
    behaviors post CBA will be to go ahead and act as if the absence of
    reminder is a permission to go ahead and you are thus buying
    yourself a conflict in the future. <br>
    <br>
    I'm thinking this is even more the case in bargaining such that you
    guys are involved into. Also, those that say "deal breaker" all the
    time must be met with absolute resolve. To force them to "deal
    break" on that seemingly tiny issue is the best course of action.
    But you guys are dealing with multiple players and interests so you
    have exponentially more fun ;)<br>
    <br>
    My .02<br>
    <br>
    Nicolas<br>
    <br>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 2015-08-04 11:02 AM, Robin Gross
      wrote:<br>
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      cite="mid:E19DEDEB-E2CD-4ACB-9F2E-6DDF0618824F@ipjustice.org"
      type="cite"><base href="x-msg://7685/">There was considerable
      pushback from the GNSO on this, but the GAC played the "we'll
      reject the plan if you don't give us what we want" card and too
      many in the GNSO are desperate for a "transition" at any costs and
      were afraid of anything slowing down the process.  So those who
      were willing to say "this is a deal-breaker for us" could pretty
      much get what they wanted.
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      <div>Robin</div>
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          <div>On Aug 3, 2015, at 7:04 PM, Mueller, Milton L wrote:</div>
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                      repeat what I said to Avri. ICANN’s mission and
                      core values speak to, and are supposed to bind,
                      ICANN – not GAC. By altering the language in the
                      way you did, you let ICANN off the hook, not GAC.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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                      [<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU">mailto:NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU</a>]<span
                        class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b>On
                        Behalf Of<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Edward
                      Morris<br>
                      <b>Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Monday,
                      August 3, 2015 8:15 PM<br>
                      <b>To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a
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                      <b>Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re:
                      [NCSG-Discuss] CCWG Accountability Report is Now
                      Out<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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                      serif; "><span style="font-size: 9pt; font-family:
                        Arial, sans-serif; ">The government's were very
                        sensitive about any encroachment upon their
                        defined GAC territory or any attempt to
                        interfere with their independence, the debate
                        over stress test 18 (consensus within GAC) being
                        the principal example. My recollection is that
                        Spain and Brazil were the most vocal demanding
                        the changes you mention, Milton. As Avri has
                        conveyed, governments felt it was the Board's
                        responsibility to determine compliance with the
                        Bylaws, not theirs.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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                          font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; ">From</span></b><span
                        style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma,
                        sans-serif; ">: "Avri Doria" <<a
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                        <b>Sent</b>: Tuesday, August 4, 2015 12:27 AM<br>
                        <b>To</b>:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a
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                        <b>Subject</b>: Re: CCWG Accountability Report
                        is Now Out</span><span style="font-size: 9pt;
                        font-family: Arial, sans-serif; "><o:p></o:p></span></div>
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                      serif; "><span style="font-size: 9pt; font-family:
                        Arial, sans-serif; ">Hi,<br>
                        <br>
                        The point was that the Board is responsible for
                        making sure the advice<br>
                        it accepts is consistent with the bylaws. GAC
                        does not accept that<br>
                        responsibility. Then again, I know of no other
                        ACSO that is making that<br>
                        decsion of whether their recommendations or
                        advice are consistent with<br>
                        the bylaws.. It is up to the Board, and the the
                        IRP to decide whether<br>
                        something is consistent with the bylaws. That is
                        their job.<br>
                        <br>
                        As for whether it is a bad as it looks to you,
                        probably not.<br>
                        <br>
                        avri<br>
                        <br>
                        <br>
                        On 03-Aug-15 19:00, Mueller, Milton L wrote:<br>
                        ><br>
                        > Robin and other fellow NCSG-ers:<br>
                        ><br>
                        ><br>
                        ><br>
                        > Regarding human rights, I have been going
                        through the CCWG report and<br>
                        > found something very disturbing.<br>
                        ><br>
                        ><br>
                        ><br>
                        > On page 33, which is part of the section on
                        “Principles” I noticed a<br>
                        > big loophole opening up in the attempt to
                        constrain ICANN’s actions by<br>
                        > defining a limited mission. Paragraph 224
                        has been modified in a way<br>
                        > that makes it LESS restrictive than before.
                        It says that ICANN must<br>
                        > take into account advice of governments,
                        and the former language about<br>
                        > how the advice must be consistent with its
                        bylaws and its fundamental<br>
                        > commitments and core values has been struck
                        out.<br>
                        ><br>
                        ><br>
                        ><br>
                        > Can anyone who was in Paris tell me how
                        this happened and whether it<br>
                        > really is as bad as it looks?<br>
                        ><br>
                        ><br>
                        ><br>
                        ><br>
                        ><br>
                        > *From:*NCSG-Discuss [<a
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                        *On Behalf<br>
                        > Of *Robin Gross<br>
                        > *Sent:* Monday, August 3, 2015 5:06 PM<br>
                        > *To:*<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a
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                        > *Subject:* [NCSG-Discuss] CCWG
                        Accountability Report is Now Out<br>
                        ><br>
                        ><br>
                        ><br>
                        > The CCWG-Accountability report is out:<br>
                        ><br>
                        ><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a
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                          class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><<a
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                        ><br>
                        ><br>
                        ><br>
                        > One important and positive recommendation
                        is the report is that ICANN<br>
                        > include a commitment to human rights in its
                        bylaws. But there's a lot<br>
                        > of other significant changes in there, so
                        please read the report.<br>
                        ><br>
                        ><br>
                        ><br>
                        > NCSG will have a webinar on 5 August to go
                        over this report and have<br>
                        > any discussion on it participants want.<br>
                        ><br>
                        ><br>
                        ><br>
                        > The comment period is now for 40 days.<br>
                        ><br>
                        ><br>
                        ><br>
                        > Thanks,<br>
                        ><br>
                        > Robin<br>
                        ><br>
                        <br>
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