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"WE WERE LOOKING AT THIS EXERCISE FROM THE BEGINNING AS ONE THAT
WOULD PROVIDE A NEW PARADIGM OF COOPERATION BETWEEN STAKEHOLDERS AND
GOVERNMENTS INCLUDED, ONE IN WHICH ALL STAKEHOLDERS COME TOGETHER
AND HAVE FULL LIBERTY TO DISCUSS AMONG THE STAKEHOLDERS HOW WE ARE
GOING TO DESIGN A NEW FORMAT FOR COOPERATION. AND UNFORTUNATELY,
THIS DID NOT TAKE PLACE. WE HAVE BEEN SAYING THIS FROM THE
BEGINNING. I DON'T THINK THIS WILL COME AS A SURPRISE TO YOU."<br>
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Well, there have been many who felt like this: "ICANN" does not
listen.<br>
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Norbert Klein<br>
Cambodia<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 06/21/2015 08:30 PM, Marilia Maciel
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Jun 21, 2015 at 10:11 AM, Arun
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On 21-Jun-2015, at 10:05 am, Carlos Afonso <<a
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<div><span>* >>BRAZIL: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR,
AND GOOD MORNING TO EVERYONE. I'D</span><br>
<span>LIKE TO ALSO START BY THANKING THE TWO
CO-CHAIRS OF THE GROUP AND TO</span><br>
<span>ACKNOWLEDGE THE TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF WORK
THAT WAS INVESTED IN</span><br>
<span>THE PREPARATION OF THE DRAFT PROPOSAL BEFORE
US. WE THINK A LOT OF</span><br>
<span>WORK, EFFORT, AND REAL ATTEMPT TO RECONCILE
SO MANY VIEWS WAS VESTED</span><br>
<span>IN THIS EXERCISE AND WE'D LIKE TO
ACKNOWLEDGE IT.</span><br>
<span> * HOWEVER, FIRST OF ALL, I'D LIKE TO,
AS KAVOUSS ARASTEH HAS MENTIONED,</span><br>
<span>AND HE MADE A DIFFERENTIATION BETWEEN HIS
PARTICIPATION AND -- AS</span><br>
<span>REPRESENTATIVE OF IRAN -- AS REPRESENTATIVE
OF THE GAC, I WOULD ALSO LIKE</span><br>
<span>TO MAKE IN A SIMILAR FASHION KIND OF A
DIFFERENTIATION OR CLARIFICATION</span><br>
<span>WITH REGARD TO OUR ROLE HERE AS
REPRESENTATIVE TO THIS BODY AND THE</span><br>
<span>POSITION OF THE BRAZILIAN GOVERNMENT AS A
WHOLE. *WE, OF COURSE,</span><br>
<span>COORDINATE INTERNALLY WITH DIFFERENT
MINISTRIES AND INSTITUTIONS, AND</span><br>
<span>OF COURSE THE BEST EFFORT WE MAKE, WE HAVE,
OF COURSE, ALWAYS TO MAKE</span><br>
<span>SURE IT IS ENDORSED BY THE WIDER GROUP.
OTHERWISE, IT WOULD BE</span><br>
<span>MISLEADING TO SAY THAT BY SAYING YES HERE,
WE ARE -- THE BRAZILIAN</span><br>
<span>GOVERNMENT IS SAYING YES. I THINK THIS IS
THE WAY GOVERNMENTS</span><br>
<span>NORMALLY OPERATE.* AND I THINK MAYBE THIS
WILL BE THE SAME WOULD</span><br>
<span>APPLY TO OTHER COLLEAGUES. BASICALLY WHAT I
WANT TO SAY IS EVERYTHING</span><br>
<span>WE DO HERE (INDISCERNIBLE) REFERENDUM OF
FINAL APPROVAL BY THE</span><br>
<span>GOVERNMENT AS THE REPRESENTATIVE OF THE FULL
AREAS INVOLVED. THIS IS ON</span><br>
<span>THE ONE HAND.</span><br>
<span> * JUST TO MENTION IN REGARD TO THAT,
*OUR MINISTER OF</span><br>
<span>COMMUNICATIONS IS COMING TO TOWN TODAY. I
WOULD LIKE TO BRIEF HIM ON</span><br>
<span>EVERYTHING THAT IS TAKING PLACE. HE IS ONE
OF THE MINISTERS INVOLVED,</span><br>
<span>AND IT IS VERY IMPORTANT THAT WE CONVEY TO
HIM EVERYTHING THAT WILL BE</span><br>
<span>SAID HERE.*</span><br>
<span> * IN REGARD TO THE PROPOSAL ITSELF,
I'D LIKE TO MAKE A FEW REFLECTIONS</span><br>
<span>IN THE SENSE WE THINK IT ADDRESSES -- IT
TAKES ON BOARD SOME CONCERNS</span><br>
<span>WE HAVE. ON THE OTHER HAND, SOME OTHER
CONCERNS, IMPORTANT</span><br>
<span>CONCERNS WE HAVE ARE NOT DEALT WITH
ADEQUATELY. WE HAVE INDICATED</span><br>
<span>THIS IN OUR COMMENTS WE SENT BOTH TO THE CWG
STEWARDSHIP AND CCWG</span><br>
<span>ACCOUNTABILITY GROUPS.</span><br>
<span> * BASICALLY, AS THE GOVERNMENT OF
BRAZIL, WE WERE LOOKING AT THIS</span><br>
<span>EXERCISE AS ONE IN WHICH THE DEFINED OUTCOME
WOULD ADDRESS THE NTIA</span><br>
<span>REQUIREMENTS. THE (INDISCERNIBLE) WE ARE
FULLY IN AGREEMENT WITH THOSE.</span><br>
<span>WE THINK THIS ACTUALLY REFLECTS THE WAY WE
HAVE BEEN OPERATING, AND WE</span><br>
<span>DON'T SEE THERE ANY CONSISTENCY WITH
ANYTHING WE HAVE BEEN DOING, SO</span><br>
<span>WE ARE FULLY BEHIND THIS.</span><br>
<span> * AT THE OTHER SIDE, WE ARE ALSO
ACCOUNTABLE, OF COURSE, TO OUR OWN</span><br>
<span>GOVERNMENTS AND TO SOME HISTORICAL DEMANDS
WE HAVE IN REGARD TO</span><br>
<span>THIS PROCESS. FIRST OF ALL, WE STILL -- AND
WE WILL TAKE THE OPPORTUNITY OF</span><br>
<span>THOSE DAYS WE HAVE HERE IN BUENOS AIRES TO
GO THROUGH THE PROPOSAL</span><br>
<span>AND TO DISCUSS WITH THE CO-CHAIRS AND
COLLEAGUES, BECAUSE WE WERE</span><br>
<span>VERY FIRMLY INTERESTED THAT AT THE END WE
WOULD HAVE REALLY CLEAR</span><br>
<span>SEPARATION BETWEEN THE POLICY OPERATIONAL
ASPECTS . *AT THIS POINT I</span><br>
<span>MUST SAY THE PROPOSAL AS IT STANDS DOESN'T
SEEM TO BE -- SEEMS TO HAVE</span><br>
<span>SOME INCONSISTENCIES. ON THE ONE HAND WE SAY
THERE IS A LEGAL</span><br>
<span>SEPARATION. ON THE OTHER HAND, WE SAY PTI
SHOULD BE CONTROLLED BY</span><br>
<span>ICANN. SO WE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE SOME MORE
DISCUSSION AROUND THIS,</span><br>
<span>BECAUSE WE DON'T THINK THAT IN THE END, THE
ULTIMATE OBJECTIVE WILL BE</span><br>
<span>REACHED.* AND I THINK MAYBE THE FUNDAMENTAL
PROBLEM ABOUT THIS IS</span><br>
<span>THAT FROM THE BEGINNING, WE HAVE BEEN
WORKING -- *WE HAVE NOT BEEN</span><br>
<span>WORKING ON A CLEAN SLATE OR A BLANK SHEET,
HAVING ALL THE OPTIONS</span><br>
<span>BEFORE US. EVERYTHING WE HAVE BEEN DOING IS
TRYING TO ADJUST OUR</span><br>
<span>PROPOSALS, OUR MECHANISM TO EXISTING STATUS.
SO ANYTHING THAT COMES</span><br>
<span>FORWARD AS A PROPOSAL SHOULD ADJUST ITSELF
TO THE FACT THAT ICANN IS</span><br>
<span>INCORPORATED AS AN ENTITY UNDER THE
CALIFORNIA LEGISLATION, AND WE</span><br>
<span>THINK -- IT MIGHT BE OKAY, BUT IT REFLECTS A
SITUATION THAT WAS</span><br>
<span>PREDETERMINED AS WE STARTED THIS EXERCISE,
THAT WAS IMPOSED. IT WAS NOT</span><br>
<span>AGREED BY THE WHOLE COMMUNITY, AND BY
GOVERNMENTS AS PART OF THAT</span><br>
<span>COMMUNITY.* SO WHAT WE ARE DOING IS TRYING
TO ADJUST A NEW ERA TO THE</span><br>
<span>EXISTING FORMATS, WHICH -- AND WE ENDORSING
THIS. SO FOR GOVERNMENTS,</span><br>
<span>I THINK IT'S A VERY HARD STEP TO TAKE. IT'S
AN UNPRECEDENTED THING, MAYBE.</span><br>
<span> * USUALLY, AS A GOVERNMENT, WE DON'T
HAVE ANY PROBLEM IN HAVING A</span><br>
<span>DECISION THAT WILL GO AGAINST OUR
(INDISCERNIBLE) TO THE EXTENT THAT</span><br>
<span>WE'RE PART OF THE DESIGN OF THE PROCESS THAT
WILL LEAD TO THIS</span><br>
<span>DECISION. SO WHAT WE ARE DOING HERE IS TO --
ON THE BASIS OF SOMETHING</span><br>
<span>THAT WAS ALREADY THERE AND WHICH WE DID NOT
PARTICIPATE, TRYING TO</span><br>
<span>REFLECT ON HOW TO IMPROVE IT BUT MAINTAINING
THE SAME</span><br>
<span>CHARACTERISTICS. SO WE THINK IT'S A VERY
CHALLENGING THING FROM A</span><br>
<span>PERSPECTIVE OF GOVERNMENT. AND OF COURSE
THIS IS NOT SOME THINGS -- A</span><br>
<span>DECISION WE SHOULD TAKE LIGHTLY.</span><br>
<span> * WE HAVE, IF I WOULDN'T LIKE TO
MENTION, OUR OWN CRITERIA OR OUR</span><br>
<span>OWN RED LINES, BUT WE THINK IN THE END *SOME
REFLECTIONS SHOULD BE</span><br>
<span>GIVEN TO THE ISSUE OF HOW ICANN WILL EMERGE
FROM THIS WITH MORE</span><br>
<span>LEGITIMACY, VIS-A-VIS ALL STAKEHOLDERS
INCLUDING GOVERNMENTS, AND WE</span><br>
<span>DON'T SEE EXACTLY HOW THIS IS BEING
ADDRESSED BY THE PROPOSAL WE HAVE</span><br>
<span>AT HAND.* SO BASICALLY WHAT I'D LIKE JUST TO
INDICATE FROM THE START IS</span><br>
<span>THAT WE HAVE BEEN ENGAGED IN THIS EXERCISE
IN THE -- WE THINK IN A</span><br>
<span>CONSTRUCTIVE MODE. MY COLLEAGUES HAVE BEEN
THERE, AND FOLLOWING AND</span><br>
<span>MAKING INPUTS TO THOSE PROCESSES. BUT I
THINK WE -- AND I THINK THIS IS</span><br>
<span>ALSO INCLUDED IN THE PRESENTATION OF THE
CO-CHAIRS; THAT WE HAVE -- WE</span><br>
<span>MUST HAVE THE -- AN APPRAISAL OF THE FULL
PICTURE THAT WILL EMERGE FROM</span><br>
<span>THIS, THE TWO PROPOSALS COMBINED, HOW THEY
WILL LOOK, HOW THE</span><br>
<span>PARLANCE OF THAT PROPOSAL WILL PROVIDE US
WITH THE CERTAINTY THAT WE</span><br>
<span>HAVE IMPROVED IN REGARD TO WHAT WE HAVE
TODAY, AND IT IS NOT SO CLEAR</span><br>
<span>FOR US RIGHT NOW.</span><br>
<span> * AND BASICALLY, JUST TO CONCLUDE, TO
SAY THAT *THIS EXERCISE INVOLVES</span><br>
<span>DIFFERENT STAKEHOLDERS WHICH HAVE DIFFERENT
CULTURES IN REGARD TO</span><br>
<span>GOVERNMENTS, CLEARLY THE CULTURE AND THE WAY
GOVERNMENTS ARE</span><br>
<span>COMFORTABLE IN WORKING IS NOT BEING
FOLLOWED. WE WORK UNDER RULES.</span><br>
<span>WE HAVE NOT DESIGNS. I SEE IN MANY DOCUMENTS
THAT WE MUST STICK TO THE</span><br>
<span>RULES AND REGULATIONS WE ARE FORCED TO
ADOPT. THIS IS SOMETHING VERY</span><br>
<span>STRANGE TO DO. IT'S NOT SOMETHING USUAL, AND
WE'LL HAVE TO REPORT BACK</span><br>
<span>TO OUR GOVERNMENT AND SAY WE HAVE BEEN
THERE, WE HAVE AGREED TO THIS,</span><br>
<span>AND THIS IS WHAT WE HAVE. AND I'M REALLY
CONCERNED THAT IF WE DON'T</span><br>
<span>MEET SOME OF THOSE VERY BASIC CONCERNS, IN
THE END IT MIGHT BE</span><br>
<span>MISLEADING FOR US TO SAY HERE WE ARE GIVING
FINAL APPROVAL FROM THE</span><br>
<span>PERSPECTIVE OF GOVERNMENTS. WE WERE LOOKING
AT THIS EXERCISE FROM THE</span><br>
<span>BEGINNING AS ONE THAT WOULD PROVIDE A NEW
PARADIGM OF COOPERATION</span><br>
<span>BETWEEN STAKEHOLDERS AND GOVERNMENTS
INCLUDED, ONE IN WHICH ALL</span><br>
<span>STAKEHOLDERS COME TOGETHER AND HAVE FULL
LIBERTY TO DISCUSS AMONG</span><br>
<span>THE STAKEHOLDERS HOW WE ARE GOING TO DESIGN
A NEW FORMAT FOR</span><br>
<span>COOPERATION. AND UNFORTUNATELY, THIS DID NOT
TAKE PLACE. WE HAVE BEEN</span><br>
<span>SAYING THIS FROM THE BEGINNING. I DON'T
THINK THIS WILL COME AS A</span><br>
<span>SURPRISE TO YOU.* WE THINK THE -- *WE HAVE
BEEN WORKING IN A</span><br>
<span>STRAITJACKET, AND IT BECOMES CLEARLY EVIDENT
WHEN WE LOOK AT SOME VERY</span><br>
<span>CREATIVE IDEAS THAT CAME TO THE FORE AND
THEY WERE DISMISSED BECAUSE</span><br>
<span>THEY DO NOT ADJUST TO THE FORM THAT WE --
AND THIS IS SOMETHING REALLY</span><br>
<span>UNCOMFORTABLE FROM THE PERSPECTIVE OF
GOVERNMENTS.* MAYBE, IN THE</span><br>
<span>END, WE MAY COME TO AN AGREEMENT THAT IT
ADDRESSES OR IT IS IN OUR BEST</span><br>
<span>INTEREST TO ENDORSE THE SITUATION BECAUSE IN
THE FINAL BALANCE, IT WILL</span><br>
<span>BE IN A BETTER POSITION, BUT IT'S SOMETHING
WE STILL NEED TO REFLECT.</span><br>
<span> * SO AGAIN, *WE ARE LOOKING FORWARD TO
WORK CONSTRUCTIVELY WITH</span><br>
<span>YOU TO HAVE BETTER UNDERSTANDING AND ALL THE
ASPECTS OF THE PROPOSAL;</span><br>
<span>HOWEVER, WE WILL LOOK AT SOMETHING MUCH MORE
AMBITIOUS THAT WILL</span><br>
<span>PROVIDE REAL SEPARATION, REAL INDEPENDENT
OVERVIEW. AND WE THINK AT</span><br>
<span>THIS POINT IT DOESN'T -- THE PROPOSAL*, AS
IT STANDS, WILL NEED SOME MORE</span><br>
<span>DETAILS ON HOW THIS WOULD WORK. THANK YOU.</span><br>
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