<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class="">Hello<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Maryam is just trying to do her job and be helpful to the community. I very much appreciate her efforts and hope others do too. Not everyone on the list is able to follow all the various processes as closely as others, so a head’s up on relevant bits that come over the transom can be helpful. If she didn’t send such notices then Rafik or someone else would have to, so this is indeed relieving an administrative burden. And if someone doesn’t want to watch a video from Fadi on the grounds that anything he says is by definition propaganda, then they presumably will not do so. The only thing that bothers me about the video are his scary giant hands. Beyond that, well it’s Fadi, this is his take on where the process is, people can make of it what they will.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Best</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Bill</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On May 19, 2015, at 10:24 AM, James Gannon <<a href="mailto:james@cyberinvasion.net" class="">james@cyberinvasion.net</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class="">
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<div class="">+1 Its a community message, definitely support that kind of material being forwarded by the secretariat.</div>
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<span style="font-weight:bold" class="">From: </span>Maria Farrell<br class="">
<span style="font-weight:bold" class="">Reply-To: </span>Maria Farrell<br class="">
<span style="font-weight:bold" class="">Date: </span>Tuesday 19 May 2015 09:19<br class="">
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<span style="font-weight:bold" class="">Subject: </span>Re: Video: A Community Message from Fadi Chehad�<br class="">
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<div dir="ltr" class="">I had no issue either with Maryam passing on a link to the video.
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<div class="gmail_quote">On 19 May 2015 at 08:57, Joy Liddicoat <span dir="ltr" class=""><<a href="mailto:joy@liddicoatlaw.co.nz" target="_blank" class="">joy@liddicoatlaw.co.nz</a>></span> wrote:<br class="">
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Yes - thanks for raising this Ed but I think this is fine and have no issue with it.<br class="">
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Subject: Re: Video: A Community Message from Fadi Chehad�<br class="">
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ah well, yet another opportunity to agree to disagree.<br class="">
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On 19-May-15 08:52, Edward Morris wrote:<br class="">
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>> I very much disagree. It is her job to relay to the list any and all<br class="">
>> posted information that might be of interest to the SG.<br class="">
> I wasn't aware of that. I felt staff support was intended to relieve volunteers of administrative chores. I wasn't aware it entailed non-administrative content and editorial submissions.<br class="">
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>> It is not her<br class="">
>> job to decide whether something is or is not propaganda - to some<br class="">
>> extent it is all propoganda-ish.<br class="">
> Disagree. For example, notification of meeting times and methods is not propaganda. It is administrative in nature. Nowhere is it claimed that it was anyone's job to determine whether something was propaganda. However, once staff starts to submit non-administrative
content to the list he or she assumes some editorial control over substantive content. IMHO it is not appropriate for staff members to do this on the members list, a list BTW we have purposely kept on non-ICANN servers, in part, in order to maintain our independence.<br class="">
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>>> On 19-May-15 08:00, Edward Morris wrote:<br class="">
>>> Hi everybody,<br class="">
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>>> I'm posting this to the PC list as the policy arm of the NCSG.<br class="">
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>>> The following email from Maryam made me a bit uneasy. It's not just<br class="">
>>> the possibility of recurring nightmares from viewing once again the<br class="">
>>> 'Fadi hands' video. :) Rather I don't feel it is appropriate for an<br class="">
>>> ICANN staff member to use his or her posting privileges on the<br class="">
>>> members list to disseminate what I would consider ICANN propaganda.<br class="">
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>>> It's perfectly fine for a member to post such a link and often we do.<br class="">
>>> I just think having staff do the same opens a path I'd prefer not to<br class="">
>>> go down. Nonmembers, obviously, do not have the right to post on the<br class="">
>>> members list and I'd suggest that staff posting rights be limited to<br class="">
>>> administrative matters unless directed otherwise by the Chair / EC<br class="">
>>> or in response to a members question or request. It's protection not<br class="">
>>> only for the independence of the NCSG that concerns me, it's for<br class="">
>>> protection of the staff as well. I don't want the staff member(s)<br class="">
>>> involved to be open to pressure from ICANN corporate to get certain<br class="">
>>> approved perspectives out to our members. That's not their role, not<br class="">
>>> how their job performance should be measured, and not why they have<br class="">
>>> been allowed posting privileges on the members list. IMHO It's just not good practice.<br class="">
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>>> Best,<br class="">
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>>> Ed<br class="">
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>>> Sent from my iPhone<br class="">
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>>> On May 18, 2015, at 4:00 PM, Maryam Bakoshi<br class="">
>>> <<a href="mailto:maryam.bakoshi@ICANN.ORG" class="">maryam.bakoshi@ICANN.ORG</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:maryam.bakoshi@ICANN.ORG" class="">maryam.bakoshi@ICANN.ORG</a>>> wrote:<br class="">
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>>>> Dear All,<br class="">
>>>><br class="">
>>>> Please find below link of video message from ICANN President, Fadi<br class="">
>>>> Chehade, following posting of the draft proposals for public<br class="">
>>>> comment by the Cross Community Working Groups to Develop an IANA<br class="">
>>>> Stewardship Transition Proposal on Naming Related Functions<br class="">
>>>> (CWG-Stewardship) & on Enhancing ICANN Accountability (CCWG-Accountability).<br class="">
>>>><br class="">
>>>> Video link:<br class="">
>>>> <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BMusmAcQpu0&feature=youtu.be" target="_blank" class="">
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BMusmAcQpu0&feature=youtu.be</a><br class="">
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>>>> Many thanks,<br class="">
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>>>> Maryam Bakoshi<br class="">
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>>>> Secretariat Support - NCSG, NCUC, NPOC<br class="">
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>>>> Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN)<br class="">
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>>>><br class="">
>>>> Email: <a href="mailto:maryam.bakoshi@icann.org" class="">maryam.bakoshi@icann.org</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:maryam.bakoshi@icann.org" class="">maryam.bakoshi@icann.org</a>><br class="">
>>>><br class="">
>>>> Mobile: <a href="tel:%2B44%207737%20698036" value="+447737698036" class="">+44 7737 698036</a><br class="">
>>>><br class="">
>>>> Skype: maryam.bakoshi.icann<br class="">
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