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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Monika,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">You want to define ICANN as a “business enterprise” because you think that will somehow bind it to the UN Guiding Principles on Business and HR. Thus you would have the tail wag the dog.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">That is just a semantic game, and politics isn’t governed by semantic debates.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">There are other, better, ways to try to get ICANN to recognize and implement HR. Trying to re-define it as a “business enterprise” is probably the worst way. Better to recognize that it is a rulemaker/regulator
and as such must not violate rights. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Zalnieriute, Monika [mailto:Monika.Zalnieriute@EUI.eu]
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<b>Sent:</b> Monday, March 30, 2015 11:06 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU; Milton L Mueller<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Info] IPC Letter to ICANN regarding .SUCKS<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p style="background:white"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black">Its not true about that CSR is off-target for ICANN.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p style="background:white"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="p1" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black">These UN Guiding Principles on Business and HR apply to all business enterprises, both<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="p1" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black">transnational and others, regardless of their size, sector, location, ownership and structure.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="p1" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black">ICANN’s set-up as a non-profit corporation is captured by the broad notion of “other<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="p1" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black">business enterprises” under these Principles, which includes any business entity, such as <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="p1" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black">corporate, or partnership, or any other legal form used to establish a business entity.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="p1" style="background:white"><em><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black">See </span></em><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black">Sub-Commission on the Promotion and Protection
of Human Rights, Commentary on the Norms on the<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="p1" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black">Responsibilities of Transnational Corporations and Other Business Enterprises with Regard to Human Rights, U.N.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="p1" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black">Doc. E/CN.4/Sub.2/2003/38/Rev.2 (2003), § 21.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><b><span style="color:black">From:</span></b><span style="color:black"> NCSG-Discuss <NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU> on behalf of Milton L Mueller <mueller@SYR.EDU><br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, March 30, 2015 2:49 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Info] IPC Letter to ICANN regarding .SUCKS</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#212121">
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="color:#1F497D">Hmmm. </span>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="color:#1F497D">ICANN is not a corporation that produces a “product” – it is a regulator and coordinator of the global DNS. It uses the private nonprofit corporate form only so that it can transcend
national jurisdiction. Thus, the “corporate responsibility” model is off target. If people outside the “walled city” of ICANN are asking how it is performing in terms of corporate social responsibility they are asking the wrong question. But frankly, I don’t
think many people are asking that. I deal with lots of people, including hundreds of students, who are not involved with ICANN and I have never heard that question asked.
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="color:#1F497D">ICANN’s biggest problem is the tendency for people to “overload” DNS regulation with social policy concerns (such as .doctor) that are better handled in other venues. </span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="color:#1F497D">What you need from ICANN is a clearly defined scope of regulation, outside which it does not stray. And within that scope, you need for it to make clear rules that make it predictable
to suppliers and consumers alike, and well-defined processes for making those rules.</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><b>From:</b> NCSG-Discuss [mailto:NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Sam Lanfranco<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, March 30, 2015 10:16 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [NCSG-Discuss] [Info] IPC Letter to ICANN regarding .SUCKS<span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:black">Milton,<br>
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Unfortunately much of this discussion is slicing into the issues under a constrained (in some cases simply binary) understanding of process here. You would be correct in what you say if your version of the core issues here was correct, but it is not. Put in
terribly simple corporate terms, ICANN as a corporation is making product decisions, entering into contractual agreements, and then going completely silent when issues arise around them, or making very non-consultative decisions that sow anger and confusion.<i>
Example: ICANN and staff either did or did not issue a controversial directive to .doctor earlier this month. The .doctor applicant says it did and ICANN remains mute.
</i>This left NCSG to have a "maybe it did, maybe it didn't" discussion that lead nowhere. This has nothing to do with your cheap shot of calling discussion of these issues an appeal to "the heckler's veto". The less cheap shot come back to that is that expertise
that misses context can be damaging to reasoned dialogue if credibility from credentials substitutes for evidence and analysis in context.
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What is being asked outside the walled city of ICANN is how is it performing in terms of corporate social responsibility, and in general that has to do with not only its product decisions (which are not solely binary here) but how it engages in product related
dialogues outside the walls of the city. On that later part ICANN remains mute and that will come back to haunt it.
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On 30/03/2015 9:42 AM, Milton L Mueller wrote:</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="color:#1F497D">But this idea (ICANN must use its power to suppress anything controversial or it will come back to haunt it) is one of the WORST guides to policy we can possibly have. Such a view not
only would make ICANN responsible for the views of anyone to which it hands a domain, it encourages it to regulate and suppress any form of expression that offends anyone – which means, of course that almost any significant form of expression could be targeted.
In American legal theory, we call this the heckler’s veto. </span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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