<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=windows-1252"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;"><div>Hi Sam,</div><div><br></div><div>Thanks for the response. The issue of the timing of the Webinar and the time constraints is perfectly understandable. I’m guessing this is an issue that is not unique to this situation, and is something most will have to deal with at least once throughout the next week.</div><div><br></div><div>Regarding the brand protection issue, I’m not sure I see what you mean when you differentiate between the “in house meaning” and the “generic sense”. But that’s why I asked for a recording of the Webinar, which Klaus was very kind to provide. I hope to get the same for the Singapore Webinar.</div><div><br></div><div>To clarify my concern, even if there is a differentiation between the two ways of looking at brand protection, how will this translate into gTLD policy positions when it comes to issues like the upcoming post-EWG PDP, or the possible revision of the Public Interests Commitments Specification of the registry agreement (as examples)?</div><div><br></div><div>I’m not saying that I want to (in any way) shepherd the representation of CS in these cases to a particular direction. However, from my humble experience in a country where brand protection is not remotely on the CS radar, I’m just trying to learn more about out how/why it is on yours.</div><div><br></div><div>I’ll happily go over any material you provide me with now, or in the future.</div><div><br></div><div>Thanks again.</div><div><br></div><div>Amr</div><br><div><div>On Feb 4, 2015, at 1:54 AM, Sam Lanfranco <<a href="mailto:lanfran@yorku.ca">lanfran@yorku.ca</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite">
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Amr, (& Dan)<br>
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I have been traveling so please excuse my delay in responding to you
and Dan, and thanks Lori and Klaus for your comments. I have two
short clarification comments.<br>
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1. The time slot for this Webinar was set where it is because of
time constraints and the main target participants (South East Asian
Civil Society Organizations).<br>
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2. There is a slight confusion around the term "brand protection".
Within the walls of the ICANN community the term Brand Protection
(Upper Case to stress the point) has an "in house" meaning with a
long history. It is useful to think of the underlying issue in a
more generic sense, with a focus more (in this Webinar) on the
issues around "brand" confronting South East Asian Civil Society
Organizations. This in no way ignores the issues around individual
protections, including consumer protection, human rights issues,
etc. , or some of the contentious problems between stakeholder
interests.<br>
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Civil Society and Not-for-Profit organizations have their own
identities to protect and if you will recall, that was one of the
initial factors in the creation of NPOC, and NPOC is hosting this
webinar. Much of the standard list of issues around brand protection
impact individuals and organizations, but there are two that are of
particular importance to the Civil Society Organization
constituency:<br>
<ul>
<li>Civil Society organization slow awareness and engagement with
the DNS system, losing the opportunity of good domain names to
others, both innocent registrants and cyber-squatters. This is
the "you snooze, you lose" risk, and part of the intent of
awareness raising within the Civil Society organization
community. I am talking about Civil Society organizations whose
mission and vision have nothing to do with the Internet
Ecosystem (e.g. health, poverty, gender, etc.), but who
increasingly depend on properties of that system to pursue their
work. <br>
</li>
<li> South East Asia is a region particularly prone to natural
disasters (typhoons, floods, earthquakes, etc.) and Civil
Society organizations, and consumer/donor interests, are often
the target of rogue Internet efforts designed to steal
donations. [I recently participated in closing down one
operation that involved an Eastern European effort, using crowd
sourcing, and trying to scam donation money in the name of Ebola
relief.]</li>
</ul><p>Lastly, it is important, on occasion, for us (within ICANN) to
remember that our internal language will have different meanings
in different contexts. That is especially important when outreach
includes awareness raising and greater engagement in Internet
ecosystem issues from "their perspective", which for NPOC means a
focus more on Civil Society at the organization level, while not
ignoring the issues of individuals in Civil Society. This is in
addition to ICANN's interest in Civil Society's greater engagement
in ICANN's multistakeholder processes. <br>
</p><p>Hope that helps clear some things up a bit.<br>
</p><p>Sam L.<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 2015-02-03 10:22 AM, Amr Elsadr
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<div>Hi Sam,</div>
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<div>Unfortunately, this webinar will take place midway through
constituency day, so it’ll be pretty difficult for those who
wish to participate in their own groups’ meetings (either in
person or remotely) to attend the webinar.</div>
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<div>I am certainly interested to listen in, and will try to in
the future. One of the topics I find to be of great interest is
brand protection. I find the mix of civil society online, domain
names and brand protection to be more than just a little odd.
Now I’m not saying that protection of brands is a bad thing, but
when it comes to gTLD policies, I have found that achieving
almost all of the goals that I have come to believe are
important to civil society put us in direct conflict with the
interests of brand owners.</div>
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<div>I would assume (and hope) that there is some way for civil
society to approach this issue differently than the Intellectual
Property Constituency (IPC), but it looks like one of the
presenters of this topic is actually one of the IPC’s GNSO
councillors.</div>
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<div>Will there be a recording of the webinar? Like I said, I’d be
very interested to hear more on this.</div>
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<div>Thanks.</div>
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<div>Amr</div>
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<div>On Feb 3, 2015, at 1:41 PM, Sam Lanfranco <<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:lanfran@YORKU.CA">lanfran@YORKU.CA</a>>
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</b><b>its use of the Internet and Never Dared to Ask! -
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11:30-13:00 SGT (3:30-5:00 UTC)</span></b><span style="font-size: 12pt;"><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 10pt;
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Raffles City Convention Centre, Singapore</span></b><span style="font-size: 12pt;"><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 10pt;
line-height: normal; font-size: 11pt; font-family:
Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 12pt;" lang="EN-US">Civil Society and Non-Governmental
Organizations are the Internet’s largest stakeholder
group, and they are becoming increasingly dependent on
how the Internet operates in order to carry out work in
pursuit of their vision and Mission.</span><span style="font-size: 12pt;"><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 10pt;
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Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">This
regional Pathfinder webinars and dialogues series is
designed to address vital operational concerns, explore
challenges and present effective strategic uses of the
Internet by Civil Society and NGO organizations.
Presenters from Internet stakeholder groups will address
issues that directly impact Civil Society organization
use of the Internet. This is Pathfinder’s second
regional session. The first was in Washington D.C. in
early January. There are more to follow. Pathfinder is
an initiative of the Global Knowledge Partnership
Foundation . This South East Asia Regional Webinar is
hosted by ICANN’s Not-For-Profit Operational Concerns
Constituency (NPOC) with assistance from Katten Muchin
Rosenman LLP (Washington D.C.) and the Alpha & Omega
Law Corporation (Singapore)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<span style="font-size: 12pt;">Topic 1:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b>"Making it work
for you: Emerging Opportunities and Challenges for Civil
Society Organizations on the Internet"</b><o:p></o:p></span><br>
<span style="font-size: 12pt;">Presenter: Sam Lanfranco,
Chair, NPOC Policy Committee; Chair, ISOC-Canada Public
Policy Committee<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>
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Topic 2:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b>"Civil
Society Online: Domain Names, Brand Protection and Abuse
Prevention"</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><o:p></o:p></span><br>
<span style="font-size: 12pt;">Presenters: Renee Xavier,
Director, Alpha & Omega Law Firm (Singapore); Brian J.
Winterfeldt, Head of Internet Practice, Katten Muchin
Rosenman LLP (Washington D.C.)<br>
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Topic 3:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b>"ICANN's
Role in Civil Society Organization Internet
Opportunities and Challenges"</b></span><br>
<span style="font-size: 12pt;">Presenters: Jean-Jacques
Sahel, Civil Society Engagement, ICANN; Nigel Hickson, IG
matters, ICANN<o:p></o:p></span><br>
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<span style="font-size: 12pt;">Moderator: Rudi Vansnick,
Chair, Not-for-Profit Operational Concerns Constituency
(NPOC)<o:p></o:p></span><br>
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For information on remote participation and questions see:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://www.gkpf.org/portal.php?p=webinarSg150210">http://www.gkpf.org/portal.php?p=webinarSg150210</a><br>
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