<html><head></head><body bgcolor="#FFFFFF"><div>My full support also goes to Flavio and friends in the <a href="http://cgi.br">cgi.br</a>!<br><br>Enviado desde mi iPad<div><br></div><div>_________________________</div><div>email <a href="mailto:carlosraul@gutierrez.se">carlosraul@gutierrez.se</a></div><div>skype carlos.raulg</div><div>cel +506 8335 2487</div><div>home +506 4000 2000</div><div><br></div><div>Apartado 1571-1000</div><div>San jose COSTA RICA</div><div><br></div></div><div><br>El 19/11/2014, a las 06:44, Olévié Kouami <<a href="mailto:olivierkouami@GMAIL.COM">olivierkouami@GMAIL.COM</a>> escribió:<br><br></div><div></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div dir="ltr"><div>+1 @ Flavio.</div><div>Thank you for this information. </div><div>I began to wonder if the NetMundial Initiative was an illusion !?!?</div><div><br></div><div>+1 @ <a href="http://CGI.br">CGI.br</a> and Brazil !</div><div>Cheers!<br></div><div>-Olevie-</div><div><br></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">2014-11-19 0:51 GMT+00:00 Flávio Rech Wagner <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:flavio@inf.ufrgs.br" target="_blank">flavio@inf.ufrgs.br</a>></span>:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div text="#000000" bgcolor="#FFFFFF">
Robin<br>
<br>
I have been informed that the "transitional council" of the NMI -
NETmundial Initiative (which contains representatives from ICANN,
<a href="http://CGI.br">CGI.br</a> and WEF and is provisory, until the 25 names of the permanent
council have been defined) is having an intense dialogue with CSCG
(the Civil Society Coordination Group) and, together, they shall
come to a solution for appointing names to the council by consensus
and fully respecting nominations from Civil Society. There is no
intention whatsoever from the transitional council to indicate names
in a closed, top-down manner and without full endorsement from CSCG.<br>
<br>
The transitional council also expects to achieve similar solutions
for appointing names that will represent other stakeholder groups.<br>
<br>
Please notice that <a href="http://CGI.br">CGI.br</a> (the Brazilian Internet Steering
Committee), which is one of the entities proposing the NMI, would
never agree with top-down, closed decisions that would strongly
undermine CGI's legitimacy as a true bottom-up, multistakeholder
body. <a href="http://CGI.br">CGI.br</a> is completely committed to preserve the NETmundial
principles in the implementation of the NMI.<br>
<br>
Please remember also that, when NETmundial was proposed by the end
of 2013, all of us in the global Internet Governance (IG) community,
because of lack of information, were puzzled about its organization
and possible success and outcomes. But the global community faced
the challenge and transformed a vague idea into a successful event,
with a true multistakeholder organization, with very open and
transparent processes, and with a final document that was achieved
by rough consensus and approved governance principles that were
praised by most of the stakeholders (including human rights and
other principles that are extremely valued by Civil Society). <br>
<br>
So let's try to transform NMI, which is still also a vague idea,
into something that is concrete and useful for the advancement of IG
and that fully respects the principles enshrined in the NETmundial
declaration.<br>
<br>
Flávio<br>
(NCUC member and member of the Board of <a href="http://CGI.br">CGI.br</a>)<div><div class="h5"><br>
<br>
<br>
<div><br>
</div>
<blockquote type="cite">Folks,
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Should NCSG participate in the NetMundial Initiative? We
are still waiting for confirmation from its secretariat as to
whether or not civil society will be allowed to select all of
its own representatives to the "coordination council" or if the
secretariat will reserve the right to select some of civil
society's representatives for us. (The NMI secretariat have
civil society orgs in mind who will be bring publicity and good
PR to their project, but don't actually engage on these issues).</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>In my mind this is a critical question, and since the
secretariat has been unwilling to confirm this yet, I remain
skeptical of the initiative and our "legitimization" of it;
however if the response from the secretariat is that they will
play a "hands off" role in terms of civil society
representatives, I'll be happy to change my mind. </div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>It is important that this initiative, in practice, live up
the Netmundial principles (including stakeholders select their
own representatives). If the NMI organizers cannot confirm that
much, then it is just an appropriation of the NetMundial label
without the principles that we worked very hard in Sao Paulo to
achieve.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>At this point, while we wait for clarification from NMI's
secretariat, each of the groups in the CSCG are asked to
consider if they believe they should participate in the
initiative. So I ask this of NCSG. JustNet Coalition has
already decided against it. Importantly, ISOC has said it will
not participate in the initiative or its coordination council
because it lacks openness, bottom-up orientation,
accountability, and transparency in its structure and
operations. </div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>We've heard that Fadi is touting CSCG's letter to the
secretariat asking to select the civil society representatives
as evidence of civil society's support for his initiative and as
"legitimizing" the NMI. What Fadi doesn't understand yet,
however, is that our sending the letter requesting to be
involved is not what "legitimizes" NMI. It is whether NMI
actually "walks the talk" and permits civil society to, in fact,
make our own determinations for who should represent us - and <b><i>in
practice</i></b> - not just words - live up the NetMundial
principles of bottom-up governance, openness, transparency,
accountability, etc.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>A few Pro & Con arguments below. Please send your
thoughts. I'll update as soon as we have some news one way or
the other from the NMI secretariat.</div>
<div> </div>
<div>Thanks,</div>
<div>Robin</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
FOR INVOLVEMENT<br>
<br>
With ITU a governments only forum and no real will to change,
and IGF as a forum with no power to make recommendations or take
decisions and again no will to change, there is no credible
venue to initiate action on non technical issues or issues not
within the remit of Istar organisations These would include
surveillance issues, human rights issues, net neutrality issues,
to name a few.<br>
<br>
The solid commitment to NetMundial principles promised, if
carried out in practice, would create a credible and open
initiative<br>
<br>
There is a need for a representative forum capable of moving us
forward on a range of issues not covered by existing
institutions<br>
<br>
Participation is strongly supported by some sections of civil
society<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
AGAINST INVOLVEMENT<br>
<br>
The last thing we need is a corporate takeover of internet
governance and this could become that<br>
<br>
ISOC has withdrawn<br>
<br>
Participation is strongly opposed by some sections of civil
society<br>
<br>
This initiative has a track record of poor communication</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Not bottom-up or transparent so far</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
<div>
<div>On Nov 17, 2014, at 3:22 PM, Robin Gross wrote:</div>
<br>
<blockquote type="cite">
<div style="word-wrap:break-word"><span style="font-family:Calibri;font-size:16px">Statement from the Civil Society
Coordination Group (CSCG) from today. </span><span style="font-family:Calibri;font-size:16px"> CSCG is comprised of the Internet
Governance civil society networks of NCSG, APC, Best
Bits, JustNet, Diplo Foundation, Internet Governance
Caucus, and Civicus. - Robin</span>
<div><font face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:16px"><br>
</span></font><span style="font-family:Calibri;font-size:16px"><span>
<div><b>UPDATE ON CIVIL SOCIETY PARTICIPATION IN NET
MUNDIAL INITIATIVE.</b></div>
<div> </div>
<div>Please note that Internet Governance Civil
Society Coordination Group (CSCG) participation in
the new Net Mundial initiative is still under
consideration. CSCG has written to the NMI
Secretariat and Transitional Council suggesting
that it play a co-ordinating role in the selection
of civil society representatives in a coordinated
bottom up manner, rather than these decisions
being made by the Transitional Council (which has
no civil society representation). This is still
under discussion; however, we do not yet have a
proposal with sufficient clarity for member
coalitions to be able to decide on participation
or not. While Just Net Coalition (JNC) has already
determined it will not participate, other members
are waiting for clarity on our proposal for a
bottom up and inclusive procedure for determining
civil society representatives before making any
final decisions on participation.</div>
<div> </div>
</span></span>
<div style="font-family:Calibri;font-size:16px">Our
letter to the NMI Secretariat and Transitional
Council in no way signifies that any or all CS
organisations have made a final decision on whether to
engage with the NMI in a formal selection process or
to participate in the NMI process.</div>
<div style="font-family:Calibri;font-size:16px"><br>
</div>
<div style="font-family:Calibri;font-size:16px"><br>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</blockquote>
</div>
<br>
</div>
</blockquote>
<br>
</div></div></div>
</blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><div><br></div>-- <br><div class="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div>Olévié Ayaovi Agbenyo KOUAMI<br>Responsable du projet CERGI-EDUCATON à CERGI Banking Services</div><div>Directeur Général de GiDa-OKtetS (Représentations commerciales et négoces)<br>Directeur Exécutif et CEO de l'INTIC4DEV (Institut des TIC pour le développement)<br>SG de ESTETIC - Association Togolaise des professionnels des TIC (<a href="http://www.estetic.tg" target="_blank">http://www.estetic.tg</a>)<br>ICANN-NPOC Communications Committee Chair (<a href="http://www.icann.org/" target="_blank">http://www.icann.org/</a> et <a href="http://www.npoc.org/" target="_blank">http://www.npoc.org/</a>)<br>Membre du FOSSFA (<a href="http://www.fossfa.net" target="_blank">www.fossfa.net</a>) et Membre de de Internet Society (<a href="http://www.isoc.org" target="_blank">www.isoc.org</a>) </div><div>BP : 851 - Tél.: (228) 90 98 86 50 / (228) 98 43 27 72 <br>Skype : olevie1 FB : @olivier.kouami.3 Twitter : #oleviek Lomé – Togo<br><br></div></div></div>
</div>
</div></blockquote></body></html>